Don't see a poolplayer getting exempted from taking a bullet for Bad Vlad.
James Aranas
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Dennis Orcollo and James Aranas have Tourist Visas.
But, they are not really tourists.
They came to the USA for the purpose of competing as athletes and earning prize money.
Therefore, the INS has determined that they violated the terms of their visas.
They need the assistance of a qualified immigration lawyer who may file this application with the INS.
I am not an attorney, but this is what I found on the INS website.
But, they are not really tourists.
They came to the USA for the purpose of competing as athletes and earning prize money.
Therefore, the INS has determined that they violated the terms of their visas.
They need the assistance of a qualified immigration lawyer who may file this application with the INS.
I am not an attorney, but this is what I found on the INS website.
I-212, Application for Permission to Reapply for Admission into the United States After Deportation or Removal
If you are inadmissible under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) section 212(a)(9)(A) or (C), use this form to ask for consent to reapply for admission to the United States (consent to reapply) so you can lawfully return to the United States. Consent to reapply is also called “permission to reapply.”Not totally correct here. The violation had to do with how often they were returning. Most common tourist visa is a B1/B2 which allows athletes to compete for prize money. They get in hot water by not staying home long enough. Full term 180day stays here and short stays at home is what gets you red-flagged. Immig. officer can decide on the fly whether you can come back in or not. Someone coming to see granny too often can have same issue. There is NO set rule regarding this. They need the the P1 or other work visa to avoid the hassle.
phreaticus
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Garzar knows everything about everything, just ask him. At first in the DO thread he be was railing against DO for not knowing the rules & being a dumbass for violating them. When more details & info emerged he suddenly became a visa expert and now advocates loudly for how ambiguous and messed up the laws are. Must be another slow day for him…
As pointed out ad nauseam in the DO thread, B1/B2 visas are not the same “tourist” visa, there are subtle but important differences. The rules governing B1/B2 visa validity periods, max entries, and duration of visits are a bit complex, but are not actually as ambiguous as has been stated around here. Anyone wanting to know how it really works would be better off simply reading the actual definitions & rules from the state dept here. The “Entering the United States” section describes exactly what has apparently been happening to DO & JA. What appears to be troubling some folks is that DHS & CBP authorities at our borders have wide discretion to deny entry, depending on variables they assess on the spot. Like it or not, this is a well documented “feature” of USA B1/B2 visitor visas and folks traveling frequently in/out of US should obviously be aware of the process, limitations & risks. One doesn’t need an immigration attorney to understand these issues, any decent travel agent knows this stuff, even the Wikipedia page on B visas covers it all pretty well.
Direct quote from the relevant section off the state dept page:
“A visa allows a foreign citizen to travel to a U.S. port-of-entry (generally an airport) and request permission to enter the United States. A visa does not guarantee entry into the United States. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials at the port-of-entry have authority to permit or deny admission to the United States. If you are allowed to enter the United States, the CBP official will provide an admission stamp or a paper Form I-94, Arrival/Departure Record. Learn more about admissions and entry requirements, restrictions about bringing food, agricultural products, and other restricted/prohibited goods, and more by reviewing the CBP website.”
Hope DO & JA are able to get their issues sorted out
As pointed out ad nauseam in the DO thread, B1/B2 visas are not the same “tourist” visa, there are subtle but important differences. The rules governing B1/B2 visa validity periods, max entries, and duration of visits are a bit complex, but are not actually as ambiguous as has been stated around here. Anyone wanting to know how it really works would be better off simply reading the actual definitions & rules from the state dept here. The “Entering the United States” section describes exactly what has apparently been happening to DO & JA. What appears to be troubling some folks is that DHS & CBP authorities at our borders have wide discretion to deny entry, depending on variables they assess on the spot. Like it or not, this is a well documented “feature” of USA B1/B2 visitor visas and folks traveling frequently in/out of US should obviously be aware of the process, limitations & risks. One doesn’t need an immigration attorney to understand these issues, any decent travel agent knows this stuff, even the Wikipedia page on B visas covers it all pretty well.
Direct quote from the relevant section off the state dept page:
“A visa allows a foreign citizen to travel to a U.S. port-of-entry (generally an airport) and request permission to enter the United States. A visa does not guarantee entry into the United States. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials at the port-of-entry have authority to permit or deny admission to the United States. If you are allowed to enter the United States, the CBP official will provide an admission stamp or a paper Form I-94, Arrival/Departure Record. Learn more about admissions and entry requirements, restrictions about bringing food, agricultural products, and other restricted/prohibited goods, and more by reviewing the CBP website.”
Hope DO & JA are able to get their issues sorted out
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I amended my stance based on finding out that there are no set regs regarding this. Each officer gets to decide who comes in and there are no set guidelines. Might as well just give each immig. officer a coin to flip. Must be nice to never be wrong.
phreaticus
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I think you’ll find that if you pontificate less and avoid having strong opinions about stuff you don’t actually know much about, you’ll be wrong less, and learn more. Thats been my experience. I’ve had to deal with this stuff a lot, and have simply posted links to direct sources of info in both threads. You seem to get incensed and belligerent no matter what the topic is. Hope your blood pressure is ok man.
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Fathom the insanity of ICE coming down really hard on two world class pool players and then turning their collective backs to illegal immigrants crossing our southern border!! Please be careful how you vote; as Barry Obama said, elections have consequences.
Correct and it has been going on forever, like DAVA Kids going to College at in state tuition rates.
Entitlement system is broken, and needs major overhaul.
Well it was in News in Arizona, the Arizona National Guard might be heading to border to fight crime.
Brnovich: Ducey could send troops to border to defend Arizona from 'invasion' of cartels, smugglers
Arizona AG Brnovich says Gov. Ducey would be on solid constitutional ground if he invoked war powers and sent the Arizona National Guard to the U.S-Mexico border to stop what he says is an "invasion" of drug cartels and criminal gangs.
Last summer, there was a Canadian couple driving into the US. When asked "Are you carrying any fruits or vegetables?", they said no, but the Customs officer noticed there was fruit in the car. They were turned back and told they weren't allowed to enter the US for five years. They've hired lawyers but the news story said it will take time to argue their case.
Yes, and prisons have cells. Hopefully you'll get to live in one someday--in another country. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I hear North Korea has a pretty tight Southern border. Should be ideal for you.
I wish I could chat longer, but I gotta run. Time to work on my website and get busy conjuring up the latest conspiracy theory I'm going to publish. ICE is nice, but General Flynn for the Wynn! Donations from the suckers just bought me a $5 million mansion on my own private island. What a country!
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We have the same thing going from AZ to CA, bug inspection station as I call it, they want and fruits in Vachicle. Wonder if the Bugs they are trying to stop ever fly across gthe border?
FRUIT FLYS.
Looks like the USDA is pretty clear on this and doesn't jack around. https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/re...traveler-canada-fruits-veg/traveler-canada-fv
This is a regulation they enforce very aggressively. Think it is about protecting US growers of Fruits & Vegetables.
I have not read this entire thread but I did read the actual government website:
travel.state.gov
And it is clearly written that B1/B2 visa holders are not permitted to accept employment or work in the US. Not sure where any confusion comes in? Come here on a visitor visa and work - get in trouble.
There's also a statement about paid performances, which could also apply in certain situations:
As far as a general attitude towards entering another country: I've travelled to Canada a few times, the first time I went I thought "Oh, they're our friendly neighbor to the North", once I went through customs and was grilled with a billion questions I realized that wasn't the case
Visitor Visa
Generally, a citizen of a foreign country who wishes to enter the United States must first obtain a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for a temporary stay, or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. Visitor visas are nonimmigrant visas for persons who want to enter the United States...
travel.state.gov
And it is clearly written that B1/B2 visa holders are not permitted to accept employment or work in the US. Not sure where any confusion comes in? Come here on a visitor visa and work - get in trouble.
There's also a statement about paid performances, which could also apply in certain situations:
As far as a general attitude towards entering another country: I've travelled to Canada a few times, the first time I went I thought "Oh, they're our friendly neighbor to the North", once I went through customs and was grilled with a billion questions I realized that wasn't the case
I have not read this entire thread but I did read the actual government website:
Visitor Visa
Generally, a citizen of a foreign country who wishes to enter the United States must first obtain a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for a temporary stay, or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. Visitor visas are nonimmigrant visas for persons who want to enter the United States...
And it is clearly written that B1/B2 visa holders are not permitted to accept employment or work in the US. Not sure where any confusion comes in? Come here on a visitor visa and work - get in trouble.
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There's also a statement about paid performances, which could also apply in certain situations:
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As far as a general attitude towards entering another country: I've travelled to Canada a few times, the first time I went I thought "Oh, they're our friendly neighbor to the North", once I went through customs and was grilled with a billion questions I realized that wasn't the case
My definition of work is exchanging labor or a skill for money.
As I said earlier regarding Canada if you go their driving a vechicle, they will run your MVD and Criminal Records.
Got a DUI, too many tickets, or record of doing bad things.
You will not be allowed to enter.
Their country, their rules.
Individual athletes can compete for prize money ONLY under a B1/B2 visa which is one of the more common varieties. You cannot hold regular job under one tho as you alluded to. P1 is one type that is way better for pool players.I have not read this entire thread but I did read the actual government website:
Visitor Visa
Generally, a citizen of a foreign country who wishes to enter the United States must first obtain a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for a temporary stay, or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. Visitor visas are nonimmigrant visas for persons who want to enter the United States...
And it is clearly written that B1/B2 visa holders are not permitted to accept employment or work in the US. Not sure where any confusion comes in? Come here on a visitor visa and work - get in trouble.
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There's also a statement about paid performances, which could also apply in certain situations:
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As far as a general attitude towards entering another country: I've travelled to Canada a few times, the first time I went I thought "Oh, they're our friendly neighbor to the North", once I went through customs and was grilled with a billion questions I realized that wasn't the case
Yep, a former co-worker was denied entry into Canada for a DUI
I was going to comment about yes, they do have your information, but I only have experience with Canada and Mexico.
They better get used to it is all i can tell them.Gotta be a conspiracy here somewhere. Immigration officials tired of noncitizens winning major USA pool tournaments. Yep, that's gotta be it.