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“If you don’t go out there and put in the work, you don’t go out and put in the effort, one, you’re not going to get the results, but two, and more importantly, you don’t deserve it. You need to earn it.

Tiger Woods, upon induction into The Golf Hall of Fame, March 9, 2022
 
“If you don’t go out there and put in the work, you don’t go out and put in the effort, one, you’re not going to get the results, but two, and more importantly, you don’t deserve it. You need to earn it.

Tiger Woods, upon induction into The Golf Hall of Fame, March 9, 2022
I watched it on YouTube. He did not seem to be reading from a script. He looked very genuine. Might be time to retire. He has made his way back into the public good graces, time to retire and start a new chapter in life.
 
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I watched it on YouTube. He did not seem to be reading from a script. He looked very genuine. Might be time to retire. He has made his way back into the public good graces, time to retire and start a new chapter in life.
Perhaps so, but if he still enjoys playing, he should continue. It would also make a great story if he played top level golf again after his accident. Unlikely to occur, but who knows?
 
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When Ben Hogan was 36 he was in an automobile accident that left him "with a double-fracture of the pelvis, a fractured collar bone, a left ankle fracture, a chipped rib, and near-fatal blood clots: he would suffer lifelong circulation problems and other physical limitations. His doctors said he might never walk again, let alone play golf competitively." 16 months later, he won the U.S. Open.

Tiger is 46. If he won a Major now, much of his dark past could more easily be forgotten.
 
When Ben Hogan was 36 he was in an automobile accident that left him "with a double-fracture of the pelvis, a fractured collar bone, a left ankle fracture, a chipped rib, and near-fatal blood clots: he would suffer lifelong circulation problems and other physical limitations. His doctors said he might never walk again, let alone play golf competitively." 16 months later, he won the U.S. Open.

Tiger is 46. If he won a Major now, much of his dark past could more easily be forgotten.
To be fair he won the 2019 Masters after an 11 year major win drought and after all his worst image damage.

Ben Hogan...I've heard of him. I kinda was into his book.
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We're singing from the same sheet. Long years ago I was an assistant at a club back home. I started caddying in 1959. He was my Hero.

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Sadly, Tiger's soul is half gifted golfer and half lonely hunter. Maybe one of these days he'll find what he so desperately needs.
 
when he is eligible for the champions tour I think the hof gives him a lifetime exemption.

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Tiger will undoubtedly go down as one the greatest golfers ever but he still stands in Jack Nicklaus’ shadow.
Besides Jack’s golf record in PGA majors, his family life was rock solid unlike Tiger’s scandals & controversies.

Tiger’s biggest frustration was never accomplishing the Grand Slam but did come close with the Tiger Slam.
He became a different man after his dad, who was his moral compass, passed away. Tiger was truly amazing.
 
I watched it on YouTube. He did not seem to be reading from a script. He looked very genuine. Might be time to retire. He has made his way back into the public good graces, time to retire and start a new chapter in life.
Naaa that’s why golf is the best pro sport to play. you play at the best courses with mostly beautiful weather. It’s played with class and the players act as such and with the champions tour you can compete as long as your body allows. Why retire If you still love the play. The true fans of golf never stopped cheating for tiger. He is a human and has faults . I don’t care about his infidelity . That’s between him and his wife . I just want to see one of the greatest of all time continue to perform.
 
If anyone can, it's him. Guy has determination like none other. Only thing that'll stop him is his kids. His son Charlie is a hell of a golfer and no doubt takes alot of work keeping him up to par
 
To be fair he won the 2019 Masters after an 11 year major win drought and after all his worst image damage.

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A must read for anyone beginning to play the game of golf.
Not sure anyone was as consistent a ball striker as the "Wee ice man."
I have a signed picture of Hogan's famous one iron shot at the 1950 U.S. Open at Merion in my office at home.
 
Naaa that’s why golf is the best pro sport to play. you play at the best courses with mostly beautiful weather. It’s played with class and the players act as such and with the champions tour you can compete as long as your body allows. Why retire If you still love the play. The true fans of golf never stopped cheating for tiger. He is a human and has faults . I don’t care about his infidelity . That’s between him and his wife . I just want to see one of the greatest of all time continue to perform.
Badly? That's what it will be. No one wants to become a joke. He plays/played to win and he won't.
 
“If you don’t go out there and put in the work, you don’t go out and put in the effort, one, you’re not going to get the results, but two, and more importantly, you don’t deserve it. You need to earn it.

Tiger Woods, upon induction into The Golf Hall of Fame, March 9, 2022
Sure he was talking about golf? That's also his philosophy on whoring.
 
Tiger will undoubtedly go down as one the greatest golfers ever but he still stands in Jack Nicklaus’ shadow.
Besides Jack’s golf record in PGA majors, his family life was rock solid unlike Tiger’s scandals & controversies.

Tiger’s biggest frustration was never accomplishing the Grand Slam but did come close with the Tiger Slam.
He became a different man after his dad, who was his moral compass, passed away. Tiger was truly amazing.
Yeah no. First as to personal life, how conveniently we forget the 1994 racist comments from Jack Nicklaus's past. And while Tiger's personal life was pretty troubled at times he also opened golf up to a whole new audience and was one of the pioneers is setting up a charitable foundation, which he set up in 1996. Jack didn't set his up until 2004. Now every player of note does it. Jack had the good fortune to marry a very strong woman at the outset of his career who kept him on the straight and narrow.

And how conveniently we forget how Jack repeatedly redefined what he thought should be the metric for greatest of all time (first to emulate Bobby Jones and remain an amateur and compete at the highest level, next to win more PGA events than Sam Snead, then to win a grand slam) before hitting on one he already had while writing out every predecessor candidate for the distinction. With one of the most self serving and dishonest statements you'd ever want to hear.

He said the only way to fairly compare player from different eras is their record in majors. This at a time when he had played in twice as many majors as anyone before him except Snead. Hogan played 58 majors and never played all 4 in a year. Snead played 114 majors but had only 4 years when he played all 4. Nelson played 51 majors with only one year when he played all 4. Jack's contemporary Billy Casper played 55 majors and only had 5 years where he played all 4. Jack played 164 majors and had 37 years when he played all 4. So of course majors are the "fairest" basis for comparison even though he had far and away the most opportunities. The fact is that until the late years of his career Jack didn't play any events with substantially all of the best players in the world playing. While in Tiger's 15 major wins, his 18 WGC wins, and his 2 Players wins substantially all of the best players in the world played. They would only miss one of these, if eligible, if injured.

As to the golf, there are a lot of ways to assess a golfer's career but the only remaining metric that has Jack ahead of Tiger is number of majors. And while the casual fans look at that as sone kind of gold standard, no player other than Jack has been crowned GOAT on the basis if most majors. Before Jack, no one ever considered Walter Hagen the GOAT. Most discussion about GOAT involved Hogan, Snead, and Nelson, with the ignorant throwing in Jones. Prior to Jack majors were not nearly as big a deal as they became later. The way we know this is that there were many times top players who were eligible simply didn't play them. Hogan only played one British Open. Snead played it 5 times. Byron Nelson played it twice. The more modern Billy Casper played it 5 times.

But the reality is that Jack never came close to being as dominant as Tiger. Tiger won 9 Vardon trophies. Jack won none. He won each of the 2 Player of the Year awards 11 times. Jack never won one of them and only won the other one 5 times.Tiger was leading money winner 10 times. Jack was leading money winner 8 times. The three longest winning streaks in modern time are 5, 6, and 7 in a row -- all by Tiger. Jack never won more than 3 in a row. Tiger has won 82 Pga events, tied with Snead for the most, although about a dozen of Sneads wins wouldn't count under current rules because of short fields or being team events. Jack won 73. From 1997 through 2008 Tiger was the best player in the world by a large clear margin for every year except 1998 and 2004, when he was making swing changes. Jack was always in the top 3 or 5 for a long time, but surprising rarely was he the clear best in the world. And never at Tiger's level of dominance. Tiger has a far higher winning percentage in both majors and non-majors. He has far and away the best record of closing out wins when leading after 3 rounds in both majors and non majors. From 2004-2006 he had 1,366 putts from 3 feet and in, one only missed 3 of them. And I could go on and on.

And all there is on Jack's side is that 18 > 15.
 
Tiger will undoubtedly go down as one the greatest golfers ever but he still stands in Jack Nicklaus’ shadow.
Besides Jack’s golf record in PGA majors, his family life was rock solid unlike Tiger’s scandals & controversies.

Tiger’s biggest frustration was never accomplishing the Grand Slam but did come close with the Tiger Slam.
He became a different man after his dad, who was his moral compass, passed away. Tiger was truly amazing.
Sorry, Earl was no moral role model.
 
Tiger Woods does not have a dark past. He has an exceedingly bright past, present, and most likely, future. He got off the path, for a brief time, then got right back to business.
 
Majors……that’s the yardstick in golf……always has and always will.
Prize money is ridiculously greater today, lots more tournaments too.
So you can’t count titles or prize money won but majors are for the elite.

The same number of major tournaments are still being played every year.
Ask Tiger what counts the most. It’s all about winning major tournaments.

Jack dominates Tiger in the majors and the majors are the toughest events.
Jack Nicklaus….18 major wins vs. Tiger 15 major wins…..but examine the
finishes each had when they didn’t win the major tournament. Jack is #1.

Runner Up Finishes in the Majors: Jack Nicklaus 19 times ….Tiger 7 times.
Top-5 Finishes in the Majors: Jack Nicklaus 56 times….Tiger 33 times.
Jack Nicklaus finished in the Top-10 finish 73 times in 164 major starts.

Jack played for a time using a persimmons driver & woods vs. today’s golf
clubs and golf balls. Jack was able to hit balls long relying on brute strength.

Jack Nicklaus is the without a doubt the Greatest Of All Time and Tiger
hates that he comes up woefully short in major tournaments comparison.

Jack either won or finished 2nd in the majors 37 times vs. Tiger 22 times.
The majors are what counts the most in golf and winning even one is a feat.
 
Yeah no. First as to personal life, how conveniently we forget the 1994 racist comments from Jack Nicklaus's past. And while Tiger's personal life was pretty troubled at times he also opened golf up to a whole new audience and was one of the pioneers is setting up a charitable foundation, which he set up in 1996. Jack didn't set his up until 2004. Now every player of note does it. Jack had the good fortune to marry a very strong woman at the outset of his career who kept him on the straight and narrow.

And how conveniently we forget how Jack repeatedly redefined what he thought should be the metric for greatest of all time (first to emulate Bobby Jones and remain an amateur and compete at the highest level, next to win more PGA events than Sam Snead, then to win a grand slam) before hitting on one he already had while writing out every predecessor candidate for the distinction. With one of the most self serving and dishonest statements you'd ever want to hear.

He said the only way to fairly compare player from different eras is their record in majors. This at a time when he had played in twice as many majors as anyone before him except Snead. Hogan played 58 majors and never played all 4 in a year. Snead played 114 majors but had only 4 years when he played all 4. Nelson played 51 majors with only one year when he played all 4. Jack's contemporary Billy Casper played 55 majors and only had 5 years where he played all 4. Jack played 164 majors and had 37 years when he played all 4. So of course majors are the "fairest" basis for comparison even though he had far and away the most opportunities. The fact is that until the late years of his career Jack didn't play any events with substantially all of the best players in the world playing. While in Tiger's 15 major wins, his 18 WGC wins, and his 2 Players wins substantially all of the best players in the world played. They would only miss one of these, if eligible, if injured.

As to the golf, there are a lot of ways to assess a golfer's career but the only remaining metric that has Jack ahead of Tiger is number of majors. And while the casual fans look at that as sone kind of gold standard, no player other than Jack has been crowned GOAT on the basis if most majors. Before Jack, no one ever considered Walter Hagen the GOAT. Most discussion about GOAT involved Hogan, Snead, and Nelson, with the ignorant throwing in Jones. Prior to Jack majors were not nearly as big a deal as they became later. The way we know this is that there were many times top players who were eligible simply didn't play them. Hogan only played one British Open. Snead played it 5 times. Byron Nelson played it twice. The more modern Billy Casper played it 5 times.

But the reality is that Jack never came close to being as dominant as Tiger. Tiger won 9 Vardon trophies. Jack won none. He won each of the 2 Player of the Year awards 11 times. Jack never won one of them and only won the other one 5 times.Tiger was leading money winner 10 times. Jack was leading money winner 8 times. The three longest winning streaks in modern time are 5, 6, and 7 in a row -- all by Tiger. Jack never won more than 3 in a row. Tiger has won 82 Pga events, tied with Snead for the most, although about a dozen of Sneads wins wouldn't count under current rules because of short fields or being team events. Jack won 73. From 1997 through 2008 Tiger was the best player in the world by a large clear margin for every year except 1998 and 2004, when he was making swing changes. Jack was always in the top 3 or 5 for a long time, but surprising rarely was he the clear best in the world. And never at Tiger's level of dominance. Tiger has a far higher winning percentage in both majors and non-majors. He has far and away the best record of closing out wins when leading after 3 rounds in both majors and non majors. From 2004-2006 he had 1,366 putts from 3 feet and in, one only missed 3 of them. And I could go on and on.

And all there is on Jack's side is that 18 > 15.
Some numbers that show there is a little more on Jack’s side than just 18>15

19>7 Runner up finishes in majors for Jack
56>33 Top 5’s in majors for Jack
66>38 Top 10’s in majors for Jack
7>6 Consecutive Top 5’s in a major for Jack
13>8 Consecutive Top 10’s in a major for Jack
3>2 The Players Championships, an unofficial major, for Jack

I could go on and on as well. I put a big emphasis on major tournaments as do others. I put very little emphasis on personal lives. Although it may have had something to do with Jack’s longevity and health. Both were great and there is a reasonable argument that either is the greatest of all-time.
 
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Majors……that’s the yardstick in golf……always has and always will.
Prize money is ridiculously greater today, lots more tournaments too.
So you can’t count titles or prize money won but majors are for the elite.

The same number of major tournaments are still being played every year.
Ask Tiger what counts the most. It’s all about winning major tournaments.

Jack dominates Tiger in the majors and the majors are the toughest events.
Jack Nicklaus….18 major wins vs. Tiger 15 major wins…..but examine the
finishes each had when they didn’t win the major tournament. Jack is #1.

Runner Up Finishes in the Majors: Jack Nicklaus 19 times ….Tiger 7 times.
Top-5 Finishes in the Majors: Jack Nicklaus 56 times….Tiger 33 times.
Jack Nicklaus finished in the Top-10 finish 73 times in 164 major starts.

Jack played for a time using a persimmons driver & woods vs. today’s golf
clubs and golf balls. Jack was able to hit balls long relying on brute strength.

Jack Nicklaus is the without a doubt the Greatest Of All Time and Tiger
hates that he comes up woefully short in major tournaments comparison.

Jack either won or finished 2nd in the majors 37 times vs. Tiger 22 times.
The majors are what counts the most in golf and winning even one is a feat.
Jack used a wood driver early in his career because that's what was available and what everyone used. He was carrying a persimmon driver when he won the Masters in 1986 but Agusta was not a long course then. He switched to metal about 3 years later.

Tiger, if I recall correctly played several rounds in various majors without hitting a driver once.

We can call Tiger #2 but what he did for golf in the modern era is unsurpassed.



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