Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

justnum said:
Promoting Masse shots could lead to sales on new cloth more often.

The burn marks from a masse session wear the table cloth much faster than break or jump shots.

Some people are promoting break pads. Why not just promote changing cloth on the table regularly and rebalancing of the table?

Its like the pool industry only wants one and done sales, while other industries are favoring subscription based services. Let the local pool pro also be a less skilled table mechanic.

Its been awhile since I went shopping online for a masse cue. Thanks for pointing it out. When I first learned the masse it wouldve been a lot easier with a masse hand device or masse arm support.
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hang-the-9 said:
When did anyone talk about not liking one because of not being able to use it? The whole point is that they are too easy to use. How about the fact that in every single pro interview not once did I hear anyone say they liked having the jump cue in use? Those are players that certainly can use them, but they pretty much universally agree that if it went away they won't miss it. Why are there tournaments that don't allow jump cue use if they are so great? Jump with a playing cue or the full break cue is a rule in a good number of events, and whenever there are jump cues used in major events, there are always people talking how that should not be a thing, including the commentators. People complain about "easy" pockets and fast cloth but jump cues are OK?

How skilled you are with a jump cue is not in the discussion. They make jumping too easy, period. Nothing after that matters, the ability to run out after making the hit is a secondary thing. Getting out of a safe or making a hanger ball easily is the issue. The point is a jump cue takes way too much skill out of a jump shot. It's not even close to anything else we have in the game. A hard tip and a break cue shaft makes jumping easier than a playing cue, but to a much less a change than a short light jump cue. I'm all for jumping or even using a second full cue to jump with, but when it takes no skill to hop over a ball that a guy with 10 years of experience played safe on you with, that is a bit silly. There is 0 argument that can be made against that unless someone is just in favor of making the shot easy for their benefit when they hook themselves or get a safe played on them. Basically it's taking a gun to a knife fight, the equipment will overcome a larger amount of skill on the other side.
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Again, you equate hopping a ball with making a competent jumpshot. One is not the same as the other.

As for the pros, go ahead and post a single interview where a pro is decrying the use of jump cues. Jeffrey DeLuna was in our room for a couple weeks not too long ago. He loves his jump cue. I can’t count the number of times playing rotation where he pushed out intentionally into a jump.

Again, nothing but another tool in the box. Go ahead and learn to use it competently, not just to hop over a ball… You’ll be happy that you did.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I love when a guy throws a humble brag about their playing ability. So I’ll play along. I played Rob Hall at the US Amateur Championship back in 2018, and lost 7-5. Was up 5-2 on him. Trust me, I know which end of the cue points forward.

I also built cues. So I may know a thing about those pointy things you play with.
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I love it when a guy can only manage to start a rebuttal post with "I love when"...lol

The point you seem to be missing is that this game is played at many different levels. I'm not bragging about my ability or lack their of. What I'm saying is that some miracle safety (in terms of distance and rail count) doesn't mean it was automatically a "good" one. The end measure isn't how it got there, but how it hampered the incoming player. Odds are you may be better off leaving the OB in the open and freezing the CB to another ball. ...but you made a cue or something, so who am I to offer advice.

I get it. You hate jump cues maybe because you can't use one, or more likely because you think you played some awesome safeties at some point in life only to discover they weren't all that special. The options are simple. Overcome or wade your way back the shallower end of the pool. Complaining isn't going to change anything.
 
The_JV said:
The point you seem to be missing is that this game is played at many different levels. I'm not bragging about my ability or lack their of. What I'm saying is that some miracle safety (in terms of distance and rail count) doesn't mean it was automatically a "good" one. The end measure isn't how it got there, but how it hampered the incoming player. Odds are you may be better off leaving the OB in the open and freezing the CB to another ball. ...but you made a cue or something, so who am I to offer advice.

I get it. You hate jump cues maybe because you can't use one, or more likely because you think you played some awesome safeties at some point in life only to discover they weren't all that special. The options are simple. Overcome or wade your way back the shallower end of the pool. Complaining isn't going to change anything.
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Morons will be morons. I have never said I don’t like jump cues. Not once. Jesus, I sold GO jump cues, so I can’t really be a hater. I just laugh at all the justifications for them. Or when people say jumping is harder than kicking. In the immortal words of Grady, it takes 10 minutes to learn how to jump. It takes a lifetime to learn how to kick well.

Now, I’ll let you get back to internet legend status, “shortstop” 🤣
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Morons will be morons. I have never said I don’t like jump cues. Not once. Jesus, I sold GO jump cues, so I can’t really be a hater. I just laugh at all the justifications for them. Or when people say jumping is harder than kicking. In the immortal words of Grady, it takes 10 minutes to learn how to jump. It takes a lifetime to learn how to kick well.

Now, I’ll let you get back to internet legend status, “shortstop” 🤣
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You know... you keep saying that, but you're just dead-ass wrong. Yes, anyone can learn to jump and get a hit. But can they get a hit, make the ball, and get position for the next shot? Can they consistently get a hit, and leave the opponent with no shot? Or will it be a sell out and give you a run out?

Jumping isnt too hard. Jumping with control and intent is a skill that needs mastered... just like kick shots.

Sounds to me like you have to stop living in the past.
 
buckshotshoey said:
You know... you keep saying that, but you're just dead-ass wrong. Yes, anyone can learn to jump and get a hit. But can they get a hit, make the ball, and get position for the next shot? Can they consistently get a hit, and leave the opponent with no shot? Or will it be a sell out and give you a run out?

Jumping isnt too hard. Jumping with control and intent is a skill that needs mastered... just like kick shots.

Sounds to me like you have to stop living in the past.
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Its still easier to learn than kicking. I like DCC's rule: go ahead and kick as long its your playing cue. Shorty's make it way too easy.
 
Yes, anyone can learn to jump and get a hit.
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And that is all many are looking for, get a hit and avoid giving ball in hand. Who knows where the CB goes after that, they have accomplished the mission. But they couldn't do it without an additional tool. Let's go back to playing pool. You get one stick, the other guy gets one stick and we see who's best.
 
buckshotshoey said:
You know... you keep saying that, but you're just dead-ass wrong. Yes, anyone can learn to jump and get a hit. But can they get a hit, make the ball, and get position for the next shot? Can they consistently get a hit, and leave the opponent with no shot? Or will it be a sell out and give you a run out?

Jumping isnt too hard. Jumping with control and intent is a skill that needs mastered... just like kick shots.

Sounds to me like you have to stop living in the past.
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There’s a time and place for both shots. I don’t know what idiocy dominates some pool players’ heads, when just because I say something is easier than something else, then it translates to “option A is easy”. A lot of people on here, you included, just read to respond, instead of ingesting the information presented. Jumping is easier than kicking. Period. Doesn’t take away from either skill.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Jumping is easier than kicking. Period.
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A sweeping generality rooted in bias being represented as fact.

Jumping can most certainly be the easier option when represented with a difficult kick. Much like a kick can be extremely easier than a jump. The process of kicking comes with the added bonus of not needing to learn how to perform a new physical skill.
 
garczar said:
Its still easier to learn than kicking. I like DCC's rule: go ahead and kick as long its your playing cue. Shorty's make it way too easy.
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Here’s my last post on the discussion, and then I’m done with jump cue debates. My first jump breaker was a Falcon back in 1997. Broke ok. Jumped as well as a cue could jump back then, seeing as we all used leather tips back then. 1999, Bunjee comes out with a jump cue that revolutionized the jump cue market. It was equipped with a phenolic tip, and the stuff we could do, with regards to the jump game, leaped exponentially. There used to be a jump zone - you needed some distance to get over a ball and get it back down onto the table, without it jumping off the table. The Bunjee jumper changed that distance from 12-20”, to anywhere from 2”-50”. You could jump half table lengths with it. The only change was the tip material - it was a brick of a shaft (5+ oz), with a small handle. Do I hate jump cues? No. Do I own one? Several. But when people think there’s a lot of skill to learning jumps, I agree when it comes to a leather tip on a cue. The synthetics made jumping relatively easy. That’s been my point during all of the debates - it’s not 100% skill. It’s 30% budget, 70% skill. It is a purchased skill, as you need a purpose built cue to perform the shot. Again, zero issues with them, so I guess I’ll now go wade to the shallow end, as Jarrett has instructed me to do, and will leave the arguments to the people who enjoy these types of things.

P.S. I can kick with any cue.
 
MajorMiscue said:
The point is that any boob can learn to jump a blocking ball with a jump cue in 10 minutes. If he wants to jump instead of kick use the playing cue.
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took this boob alot longer than 10 mins to learn to jump

kick can be done in one shot if i show him where to aim, takes 20 seconds, which is EASIER ?
 
The_JV said:
A sweeping generality rooted in bias being represented as fact.

Jumping can most certainly be the easier option when represented with a difficult kick. Much like a kick can be extremely easier than a jump. The process of kicking comes with the added bonus of not needing to learn how to perform a new physical skill.
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Done engaging. Enjoy talking to yourself, slugger.
 
took this boob alot longer than 10 mins to learn to jump

kick can be done in one shot if i show him where to aim, takes 20 seconds, which is EASIER ?
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I didn't know your flatline learning curve was in play. Now you want to add a coach? And what does any of this have to do with CF shafts?
What's wrong with one player, one cue? Let's keep the balls on the table!
 
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