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Or anyone else,
Took my cue into the head (big mirror) and had a look at my latest stroke and turns out I've done away with all of the pre-contact elbow drop and retain a post contact, dropping elbow follow through on shots that require it.
On the break, I stand taller and tend to swing from the shoulder with the forearm extending through delivery. All by way it seems of not folding the arm on forceful shots.
 
straightline said:
Or anyone else,
Took my cue into the head (big mirror) and had a look at my latest stroke and turns out I've done away with all of the pre-contact elbow drop and retain a post contact, dropping elbow follow through on shots that require it.
On the break, I stand taller and tend to swing from the shoulder with the forearm extending through delivery. All by way it seems of not folding the arm on forceful shots.
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i think post contact elbow drop is just a normal result of your follow thru
and if post contact usually doesnt hurt you
(i still dont think the elbow torques ;) 😂 ) couldnt resist....sorry (y)
actually a long time ago i took a lesson with scott lee
and on video i had a post contact elbow drop
he wasnt happy about it as he preferred a fixed elbow but he said he could live with it for reasons above (2nd sentence)
 
bbb said:
i think post contact elbow drop is just a normal result of your follow thru
and if post contact usually doesnt hurt you
(i still dont think the elbow torques ;) 😂 ) couldnt resist....sorry (y)
actually a long time ago i took a lesson with scott lee
and on video i had a post contact elbow drop
he wasnt happy about it as he preferred a fixed elbow but he said he could live with it for reasons above (2nd sentence)
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The bicep and tricep apply torque to the joint. That's why your arm moves in the first place. When the elbow is fully collapsed, the torque starts to act on the joint. I consider this injurious and entirely unnecessary. Torque is cheap. I can continue typing the word. :D
Same as a torque wrench applying measured force to a tightened nut.
 
I found it quite useful to use a mirror from time to time to examine your stoke. I had a habit of swinging my arm left to right. I would watch myself in the mirror and eventually feel my arm moving. When I developed that feel shot making got better
 
When there were rooms, the wall mirrors if they had any were very useful for just that. I think I copped the idea from dancers at their mirrored studios.
 
straightline said:
Or anyone else,
Took my cue into the head (big mirror) and had a look at my latest stroke and turns out I've done away with all of the pre-contact elbow drop and retain a post contact, dropping elbow follow through on shots that require it.
On the break, I stand taller and tend to swing from the shoulder with the forearm extending through delivery. All by way it seems of not folding the arm on forceful shots.
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Do you have a question?
 
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BilliardsAbout said:
Post a video here--and even post a before and an after video and let's see.
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Nah. Not even relevant. What happened was I started cradling the cue almost exclusively with the ring finger and pinky. This alone supplied enough snap that the majority of what I will shoot at no longer requires extended cue travel; hence, stable elbow.
 
straightline
check your pm
i deleted from this thread what i sent you
 
Exactly what I'm saying. The force that opens and closes the elbows, is torque. The force that is applied by a wrench to a nut is linear, yet that causes torque on the bolt. Substitute elbow for nut and bolt.

Regardless this post is on the merits of dropping the elbow.
 
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Not unless you wish to expound on the plusses and minuses of short arms and the elbow drop. This started elsewhere when I stated that, no elbow drop can cause injuries in short limbs.
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I'm just trying to figure out the purpose of your post. If you're not asking a question, are you teaching something then?
 
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FranCrimi said:
I'm just trying to figure out the purpose of your post. If you're not asking a question, are you teaching something then?
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The original post is to inform bbb that I don't have as much elbow drop as I used to. He seems to be fixated on some terminology but that's irrelevant.

What do you think are the ins and outs of the elbow drop in a modern all the way down on the stick stance?
 
straightline said:
The original post is to inform bbb that I don't have as much elbow drop as I used to. He seems to be fixated on some terminology but that's irrelevant.

What do you think are the ins and outs of the elbow drop in a modern all the way down on the stick stance?
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I think an elbow drop before impact to assure a level stroke through impact serves a purpose for some shots where a finesse touch is needed to pocket the ball but distance is needed to move the cue ball. For some reason, I find that dropping the elbow prior to impact in those instances is very effective. However, I probably would use it only a few times in an entire session and in some sessions, not at all.

But to do it just as a part of your fundamentals doesn't seem necessary to me. I wouldn't teach someone that way of playing as a fundamental. However, if it does happen to be part of a player's fundamentals and their stroke timing is just fine, I certainly wouldn't have them change it just for the sake of changing it.
 
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FranCrimi said:
I think an elbow drop before impact to assure a level stroke through impact serves a purpose for some shots where a finesse touch is needed to pocket the ball but distance is needed to move the cue ball. For some reason, I find that dropping the elbow prior to impact in those instances is very effective. However, I probably would use it only a few times in an entire session and in some sessions, not at all.

But to do it just as a part of your fundamentals doesn't seem necessary to me. I wouldn't teach someone that way of playing as a fundamental. However, if it does happen to be part of a player's fundamentals and their stroke timing is just fine, I certainly wouldn't have them change it just for the sake of changing it.
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Fair enough. I'm not a fan of the cookie cutter approach to formal coaching and instructors should offer insight as well as correction. What would you do about an unsteady follow through - the kind that is always a threat to foul on nearby balls?

The break seems to be an exception as well; not the modern control every ball stroke but the old 30 mph battering ram. There is no practical way to do that from a snooker stance - at least not for me.
 
straightline said:
Fair enough. I'm not a fan of the cookie cutter approach to formal coaching and instructors should offer insight as well as correction. What would you do about an unsteady follow through - the kind that is always a threat to foul on nearby balls?

The break seems to be an exception as well; not the modern control every ball stroke but the old 30 mph battering ram. There is no practical way to do that from a snooker stance - at least not for me.
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If I'm hard-breaking there will always be a shoulder/elbow drop with a taller and generally a more sideways stance (facing the cue more). A break shot is closer to a golf swing with hip movement through the shot.

As for the unsteady follow through, there are several possible causes, including psychological. It could be poor stroke timing, or a form of anxiety where the player suddenly takes control of the stroke instead of allowing it to run it's natural course. It could also be the opposite, where the player goes unconscious during the stroke and loses all sense of feel. The fix is almost always a change in mindset that the player must undergo, whether is to become more aware during the stroke, or the opposite --- relax and try not to control so much.
 
FranCrimi said:
If I'm hard-breaking there will always be a shoulder/elbow drop with a taller and generally a more sideways stance (facing the cue more). A break shot is closer to a golf swing with hip movement through the shot.

As for the unsteady follow through, there are several possible causes, including psychological. It could be poor stroke timing, or a form of anxiety where the player suddenly takes control of the stroke instead of allowing it to run it's natural course. It could also be the opposite, where the player goes unconscious during the stroke and loses all sense of feel. The fix is almost always a change in mindset that the player must undergo, whether is to become more aware during the stroke, or the opposite --- relax and try not to control so much.
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Interesting approach. I would normally tough out the technique. It also occurs to me that people like this guy,

Hitting 1/2 Tip to the Left on Center Ball Shots, Should I Fix My Stroke or Adapt?

I am always striving to play better, my main issue is inconsistency. I recently found out that when I strike the cue ball I am up to 1/2 a tip off to the left of where I am aiming. I am pretty sure that I aim correctly and that my bridge V is in the correct place prior to the final back swing...
forums.azbilliards.com
might have foul trouble following through.
 
straightline said:
Interesting approach. I would normally tough out the technique. It also occurs to me that people like this guy,

Hitting 1/2 Tip to the Left on Center Ball Shots, Should I Fix My Stroke or Adapt?

I am always striving to play better, my main issue is inconsistency. I recently found out that when I strike the cue ball I am up to 1/2 a tip off to the left of where I am aiming. I am pretty sure that I aim correctly and that my bridge V is in the correct place prior to the final back swing...
forums.azbilliards.com
might have foul trouble following through.
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I probably wouldn't consider that an inconsistent or unsteady follow through. In that case, the follow through would be the natural result of the player's stroke going off course prior to impact. If that player does happen to develop an inconsistent or unsteady follow through, then I would say he had two problems and not one.
 
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FranCrimi said:
I probably wouldn't consider that an inconsistent or unsteady follow through. In that case, the follow through would be the natural result of the player's stroke going off course prior to impact. If that player does happen to develop an inconsistent or unsteady follow through, then I would say he had two problems and not one.
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I used to foul a lot shooting close to balls and I had to force myself to shoot straight through shots. Only as of this thread did I realize that cueing and not just follow through error might have a lot to do with it.
 
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