Low deflection shaft back to old maple shaft
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Never switched to latest greatest.
IMHO Maple is like Remington 700 BDL in .308, will shoot great, if Markmen is on Trigger.
That particular rifle shoot better out of box then most shooter using it.
phreaticus
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Just to stay with something you might understand, I will pull from my life.
Grampa, dad and the uncles grew up with rifle. Those two generations were ￦￦I and WWII. If you told them about the Remington in the early 60s, they would use your current argument.
We grow, we progress
As far as changing shafts go: it really depends on how much muscle memory your body possesses.
I have 2×Z2 shafts and 1 S-Tuned Z2 shaft, and used to have a 314-1 shaft.
I had been using my 314 for a bit over 2 years when I got the first Z2. When I would play/practice on my home table, I could find nothing substantially different about their play characteristics. But (the big BUT) when playing in league (APA at that point in time), any time there was stress involved in the shot (more than typical spin or speed) I would blow the shot. It took a solid 6 months of only playing with the Z2 for the problem to subside.
After playing with the Z2 for about 2 years, I bought a S-tuned Z2, and the same thing happened--virtually indistinguishable in practice, completely different in actual serious play. This transition took a bit over 3 months.
Unless something serious has happened to a given shaft and you are shooting well with it, Keep it. Changing will likely upset your game for longer than you will be happy about it.
I have 2×Z2 shafts and 1 S-Tuned Z2 shaft, and used to have a 314-1 shaft.
I had been using my 314 for a bit over 2 years when I got the first Z2. When I would play/practice on my home table, I could find nothing substantially different about their play characteristics. But (the big BUT) when playing in league (APA at that point in time), any time there was stress involved in the shot (more than typical spin or speed) I would blow the shot. It took a solid 6 months of only playing with the Z2 for the problem to subside.
After playing with the Z2 for about 2 years, I bought a S-tuned Z2, and the same thing happened--virtually indistinguishable in practice, completely different in actual serious play. This transition took a bit over 3 months.
Unless something serious has happened to a given shaft and you are shooting well with it, Keep it. Changing will likely upset your game for longer than you will be happy about it.
Started with a cuetec standard shaft, then upgraded to a cuetec R360 which was a fine upgrade for me.
I then started playing with a maple shaft pechauer cue I won in a raffle and have not looked back since. Now I will say, even though I'm a low tier player, my fundamentals are solid. They are so solid that better players than me always find it odd when they borrow my cue and realize it is a maple shaft, which throws them off every time for whatever reason.
I then started playing with a maple shaft pechauer cue I won in a raffle and have not looked back since. Now I will say, even though I'm a low tier player, my fundamentals are solid. They are so solid that better players than me always find it odd when they borrow my cue and realize it is a maple shaft, which throws them off every time for whatever reason.
Never switched to latest greatest.
IMHO Maple is like Remington 700 BDL in .308, will shoot great, if Markmen is on Trigger.
That particular rifle shoot better out of box then most shooter using it.
Once I recover from cataract surgery and get my new glasses prescription, I plan to shoot with the original all maple shafts my Josey came with. Perhaps it's a bit of what I'm used to but it's also that I'm a cheapskate. So many "latest and greatest" shafts have arrived since I bought the cue back in 2007, I can't keep track.
Then factor in that I'm strictly a recreational banger...don't want any of the bad feelings that can result from playing for cash...and well, I'm perfectly content with what I have, thank you...
Then factor in that I'm strictly a recreational banger...don't want any of the bad feelings that can result from playing for cash...and well, I'm perfectly content with what I have, thank you...
Any well made rifle will always shoot great regardless of age as long as it was maintained.
So will any well made pool cue regardless of its components. You can build the fastest race
car ever imagined and still never win Le Mans without having the right driver behind the wheel.
Doesn’t matter if the gun was a Remington, Savage, Marlin, Winchester, Browning,
Mossberg or some other top name. The aforementioned made some heralded guns.
Winchester pre-64 rifles, especially models 70 and 94, are highly collectible rifles.
I have a Browning Medallion A-bolt made in the early 80’s after the operation moved
from Belgium to Miroku, Japan. The workmanship is magnificent and still remains unfired.
I also have a weather beaten Winchester model 94 made in 1949 that has harvested a lot
of game during its existence. I retired it a long time ago but it’s still ready to perform anytime.
My 1970’s Palmer plays as good today as it ever did and is still perfectly straight. Heck, give
me a Cuetec CF shaft and I’d probably struggle for awhile and get adjusted to it. But every time
I missed a shot or failed to complete an easy table layout I’d wonder about using maple shafts.
Until they bring out a maple color CF shaft, and even then I’d likely still wonder, maple shafts are
my preference. But if I was starting out or only had played for 1/2 dozen to 10 or so years, I’d make
the switch. After a certain point, which varies with every player, your thinking & pool shooting are set.
Some pro golfers change golf club brands and struggle thereafter for years, sometimes never really
returning to their prior performance. I think there’s something to be said about sticking with what works.
It appears your use of the term Willy Nelly did not contemplate its definitional meaning.I went low deflection and will never go back. The ability to shoot with inside english willy-nilly is worth the price of admission. I even went from 314 to CF and don't ever want to see a wood shaft again.
-td
Most pool players concentrate when they play pool unless they are just banging balls.
Willy Nilly…..means whether one likes it or not…..without direction or planning…. haphazardly,
without planning or order……when something happens willy nilly, it happens even if the people
involved do not want it to happen. Why would anyone want to use inside English haphazardly?
p.s. The antonym for Willy Nilly is systematically or methodically.
tomatoshooter
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Maybe the 314-2 isn't the shaft for you. I'm not sure why but I could never get the precision with my 314-3. It's like the pockets shrank 3/4" of an inch. I could move the rock well but ball pocketing suffered. On a bar box with friendly pockets I could do some damage but on a 9 footer with less generous pockets I was useless. I was better off using a conventional maple shaft and using less English. I switched to a Viking Siege CF and got what I needed. People are going to come in and say "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian." Well this Indian went hungry and now knows which arrow he's pulling out of the quiver when he needs to put food on the table.
It’s exactly what your describing. The pockets felt it it shrank. Strange.
No one who’s serious uses a R700 in .308 for anything serious anymore.
The .mil/le I train still use it because the range for LE is always short. And .mil use .300wm, .300 Norma, 338 Norma and 338 Lapua for anything much further than 600yds.
And most of them are moving away from 700’s.
This isn’t 1995 when anything under 1moa is a good gun. .5 moa is easily the standard now with modern equipment.
I also see in the last 10 years or so we haven’t yet erased the myth that you can somehow apply more spin or “create” angles with different shafts.
Obviously a shaft may be easier for an individual to use.
But, physics is the same. The cue ball, when hit with X kind of spin has to impact the object ball at Y point. You may aim different with the amount of deflection. But you’re still putting the cue ball at the same spot.
You may be able to transfer energy differently with shafts. But, that is overcome with stroke speed and such.
Obviously a shaft may be easier for an individual to use.
But, physics is the same. The cue ball, when hit with X kind of spin has to impact the object ball at Y point. You may aim different with the amount of deflection. But you’re still putting the cue ball at the same spot.
You may be able to transfer energy differently with shafts. But, that is overcome with stroke speed and such.
tomatoshooter
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I tried for hours a day for 3 weeks and I never had that day when it felt like I was just thinking the balls into the holes. The 50% shots became 40% shots and with the good solid maple or CF they became 60% shots. I could move the cue ball well so the better position could make up for decreased accuracy but now I don't have to make that tradeoff. I'm definitely on board with the low deflection but I get in too many situations where I have to sink a tough shot and I couldn't get it done with the 314-3.
ALL depends on what you're using it for. 1/2moa
accuracy is NOT required for hunting and rarely in LE situations. Lot of stupidly accurate customs have been built using 700 actions.
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Zerksies
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LD shafts are something that you need to fully commit to. You can't go back and forth.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I recently got a Diviney cue, kielwood, LD shaft. After about a month of serious play (talking 20-25 hours a week) it became second nature. The strangest thing in the whole process was that the balls just did what I wanted them to do without really accounting for deflection. Being a player brought up and used to a rock hard maple shaft for 25+ years, it took a bit to get tuned in to not having to account for deflection. Once that was trained in, I'd never switch back. I was shooting decent with it from the get go, but those tricky shots where I threw balls around with deflection weren't working the same. I learned to actually aim.
I'm at the point I wish my break cue was LD because it's so much easier to hit the target without having to account for 10x as much deflection. I can do it, but it's easier for the ball to just do what I think it should.
I'm at the point I wish my break cue was LD because it's so much easier to hit the target without having to account for 10x as much deflection. I can do it, but it's easier for the ball to just do what I think it should.