DeeDeeCues
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Thick or thin, you have to have the exact same precision and consistency.
I like thin shafts because they don't feel as clumsy or awkward.
Shaft Forgiveness
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Thick or thin, you have to have the exact same precision and consistency.
I like thin shafts because they don't feel as clumsy or awkward.
Here's a to-scale drawing (enlarged for clarity) of a 12mm tip with an 11mm circle drawn inside it. The part of the tip inside the inner circle is ~90% as wide. An 11mm tip is simply missing that outermost layer - there's no other difference. How much do you think that matters?
pj
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Yep. 10% of something very small is something even smaller.
This link *should* clear everything up.
billiards.colostate.edu
This link *should* clear everything up.
Cue Tip Size and Shape Effects - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Answers to frequently-asked questions about cue tip shape and size effects.
billiards.colostate.edu
hey mitch, how come?
Zerksies
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It’s funny your quick to say Nope, but not once have you provided FACTS
Woodshaft
Do what works for YOU!
Exactly, which is why Carlo Biado and I both use the 12.9mm tipped, conical tapered Predator Vantage shaft. It's deflection is ultralow too. It's almost like I'm cheating lol.
Average players who use narrow shafts and whose shooting isn't getting any better crack me up. Their excuse "I can get more draw with a narrow tip" tells me right away that their stroke isn't good enough and that they won't SHOOT as well with a narrow shaft. What the hell is "good draw" gonna do for you if you keep missing shots!!!
The Predator Z-3 (which the world's best shooter Joshua Filler uses) is just a narrower Vantage shaft btw. His stroke is obviously good enough to use the Z-3's 11.85mm tip affectively.
Fun fact: Joshua Filler's playing cue weighs only 17oz!
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This has been discussed endlessly here - you can search by key words, etc.
Here's another good place to look:
Answers to All Questions - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Categorized learning resources and answers to every possible question about pool and billiards principles and techniques.
billiards.colostate.edu
pj
chgo
Zerksies
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Oh a Dr.Dave fanboy. I get it. But still nothing listed on shaft diameter. TRY AGAINThis has been discussed endlessly here - you can search by key words, etc.
Here's another good place to look:
Answers to All Questions - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Categorized learning resources and answers to every possible question about pool and billiards principles and techniques.
pj
chgo
It’s fairly simple geometry. 11, 12, 13mm tips don’t change enough surface area to make any impact on the precision of a hit.
The accuracy part is on you.
Pretty much all tip sizes will have the same precision potential, but not all players will have the same accuracy (specifically using different terms on purpose as they define different things).
Anyone who “thinks in inches”, here’s a comparison:
13mm: 0.51”
12mm: 0.47”
11mm: 0.43”
The difference in 13 and 11 is 0.08”
Going from 13mm all the way down to 11mm is only a 14% difference.
For someone with a not great stroke or accuracy in their impact, an at *MOST* 14% difference will not be noticeable.
Here’s a *NOT* to scale example.
This is a dime. The same principle applies to a nickel shape. All you’re doing is changing the outside thickness/diameter of the shaft.
The only way a thicker shaft would be more forgiving on where you strike the cue ball, would he if the tip is contacting the cue ball *outside* of the red lines.
*AND* if that larger contact area would be enough to change the outcome.
Giving someone who doesn’t strike the cue ball where they want a larger shaft won’t increase their success.
Giving someone who doesn’t strike the cue ball where they want a smaller shaft wind decrease their success.
Just doesn’t work that way.
This is a dime. The same principle applies to a nickel shape. All you’re doing is changing the outside thickness/diameter of the shaft.
The only way a thicker shaft would be more forgiving on where you strike the cue ball, would he if the tip is contacting the cue ball *outside* of the red lines.
*AND* if that larger contact area would be enough to change the outcome.
Giving someone who doesn’t strike the cue ball where they want a larger shaft won’t increase their success.
Giving someone who doesn’t strike the cue ball where they want a smaller shaft wind decrease their success.
Just doesn’t work that way.
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Wow. One month in and already a tool bag. Good job. Keep believing the marketing bs put out by the cuemakers. They live off people like you.
Now, giving someone who *does* hit the cue where they want a smaller shaft *may* allow them to be more specific where they hit the cue ball.
But, that would have more to do with visuals. I.E. they can see more of the tip area that contacts and move their aim on the cue ball less than with a larger shaft.
But, that would have more to do with visuals. I.E. they can see more of the tip area that contacts and move their aim on the cue ball less than with a larger shaft.
And you have?... Haven't looked at the rest of the thread to see if you have/
This thread is supposed to be about "Shaft Forgiveness". ...
Whenever my shaft misses a shot, I forgive it.
Whenever my shaft misses a shot, I forgive it.
but who shoots with a flat tip
DeeDeeCues
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Ummm...10%? 21% if we start talking bending strength...
Anybody who argues that ten or fourteen percent is a small amount really needs to evaluate this in other ways.
If your body fat went up by ten percent, would your doctor claim it was insignificant?
What would you do if your boss offered a fourteen percent raise? Complain that it was insignificant?
Ten percent in grades can mean the difference between ivy league and community college.
I really don't think that shaft diameter had anything to do with inherent accuracy, but it is asinine to argue that ten percent is insignificant.
DeeDeeCues
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LoL.
Okay, what if Chicago had ten percent fewer murders?
Ten percent is a huge percentage anywhere. Convince us it isn't.
Might be a visual thing. You could get visibly that much closer to your panic point on the ball.