Private pool club - how many members for a 6 table club?

Tin Man

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I'm opening up a private pool club with six 9' Diamond tables and a 7' Diamond bar table. Not open to the public. 24/7 key access, etc.

How many members do you think this club would support before table availability becomes a concern?

Also, what do you think a reasonable monthly fee would be? I'm in the Minneapolis, MN area. I'll also be running some guided training out of the club (it is going to be designed for people looking to train and improve). Not nightly classes like a dojo, but not just an anytime fitness. I have my plan and ultimately the market will decide, just curious on thoughts of others.
 

CocoboloCowboy

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What is your cost to operate per month? What is Cost to open the venue.

Your description of you venue sounds pricy.
 

David in FL

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Will members be able to bring guests, or will members be the only people allowed to play?

Will the membership fee include table time, or will that be charged separately?
 
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tomatoshooter

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If you have 7 tables you can have 14 people at a time. If 25% of the people are there at any peak time that's 56 people. That's if it's only members. If they have guests then it's less. I guess it depends on how much people are willing to wait for, or not get, a table, and that depends on price. A couple of the local halls have $100/month membership, I think one of them limits it to when tables are available. If someone has the money, I can imagine someone paying $200/month. That breaks down to 5 hours a week at $10/hour.

It depends on what the other pool halls are doing. I assume that your equipment is as good as or better than anyone else in town. The 24 hour thing is nice, maybe you have a little more room between the tables, too. I believe the value of your place is going to be in the facilities, that it may not save a player money, but that it's a preferable environment. Will some of the training be included in the membership?

How much revenue will you need to stay open? How much to make it worth your trouble? And how much for it to be a legitimate second income, or your primary income?

It sounds like a great idea. Is there also a possibility of doing some sort of youth program? It would be nice to help start the next generation of players.
 

Tin Man

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Thanks all for the feedback.

For members, that was almost exactly what we were thinking. 50-60 members. Yes, they will be new 9' Diamond tables. Table time included with membership.

I'm not going to throw around numbers, but I can share the model a bit more. It is me and 3 partners, two silent investors, and me and my buddy actually running the club. It will be no one's income from the onset (my friend and I agreed to run it for 2 years for no income to earn sweat equity). No employees, no payroll. Just members coming in and playing pool. My friend will manage the accounts, collecting dues, and the cleaning. I am going to run training and recruiting.

My training program has a few points to it. One is table time. My MN Pool Bootcamp business is separate from the club, but I will be doing some group lessons out of the club and expect to be able to pay around $500-$1,000 a month in table time to the club. Secondly by doing group training I expect to bring in 10+ new faces a month into our establishment that are excited enough about improving to take a lesson from me, so that will help with initial growth.

As for the training out of the club, yes, there will be a certain amount of training I do that's included in the membership. Nothing one on one, but some general guided training. I plan on doing one clinic a month where I introduce a new skill then have members try their hand at a drill or challenge using that skill to see their initial level. Then I will do training on that skill and work with them on the table. That will be our focus of the month and I will make a point to be drilling on that throughout the month and being around to help others with it as well. The following month when we introduce the new skill I will also have everyone test out of the old skill to see if we can improve as individuals and as a group.

Going further, after I have a roster of skills I am rotating through (including a safety course, shotmaking drills, stroke drills, cue ball drills, etc) I am going to post all of our best scores publicly. So everyone will have their name and picture on the wall, along with their fargo rate and their personal best on each drill. If they aren't happy with their score they can take another shot by reserving the stream table and recording their attempt so we know it's legit with the pressure on. Anyway, what's cool about that is that everyone will be able to see how they stack up in different parts of the game. So you can see the players at the next level and where they out-perform you, but you can also be motivated if someone under your level is better in a certain area. Even without my involvement that will hopefully help people identify where they need to work, as well as have some recorded training seminars targeting those skills available (and me hanging around ready to lend a hand when I'm free). Of course they can always train with me one on one as well, but that would be additional. So limited guided training but an atmosphere where the members are all serious, working together, pushing each other, and lead by me.

Junior training programs are difficult on the national level but may be possible locally. There is a jr program in town and I don't want to step on toes, but if they approach me I can work out a summer camp for them. And I will be doing some serious training out of there, and I'll be looking to play some sets against the members sparring around, as well as bringing in some strong players for me to play some cash games against.

Bottom line, there are a lot of players in town that want to actually learn to play this game well, and demand for my training has been beyond anything I had imagined. I am pretty confident I can fill the club up with members. Oh, I should mention my friend is going to booking some corporate gigs as well. And members will be able to bring friends who then pay a day pass fee.

The pricing being mentioned is in line with our thoughts. I plan on keeping the member cost relatively low, maybe a bit under where we want to be long term. I want to get up to capacity asap so I can run in house leagues and tournaments and have good energy and make sure we launch. We can always edge up down the road and we'll let the members know up front that our pricing is a first year promotional offer so no one is surprised.

I could go on but I hesitate to go any deeper in a public forum. Still, I am excited and have no shame in sharing what we are doing. I am really fortunate to be able to help people with their pool games full time, and looking for ways to help more people to a larger extent.
 
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Zerksies

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You need to know what your monthly costs are. If you have $30k in rent charging $50 a month isn't cutting it.
 

GentlemanJames

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I'm opening up a private pool club with six 9' Diamond tables and a 7' Diamond bar table. Not open to the public. 24/7 key access, etc.

How many members do you think this club would support before table availability becomes a concern?

Also, what do you think a reasonable monthly fee would be? I'm in the Minneapolis, MN area. I'll also be running some guided training out of the club (it is going to be designed for people looking to train and improve). Not nightly classes like a dojo, but not just an anytime fitness. I have my plan and ultimately the market will decide, just curious on thoughts of others.
TIN MAN - Hopefully, some of this information may be of help to you.

I am currently working on this same concept with the help of someone, now retired, with 25+ years experience running a big room. From our brain-storming, we have also been looking at a 6 Table, Equity-Member (vs Non-Equity), key club billiard room concept as you have described.

Much of the work on my end has been gathering operational policies from local private Golf Clubs, to then scale-down for the purpose of a private-member Billiard Club. This has saved tons of time in trying to figure out how best to do a thing.

Why re-invent the wheel, right?

The largest OBVIOUS factors we worked with are: Operational Costs - with Rent being number one. Therefore, the number of minimum members required is informed by what your total estimated operation costs are, and, the lower your rent (being the big one) is your best rule-of-thumb, regarding how many people you must be able to rely on to keep the lights on.

Other factors when determining Member Dues, is also creating a Treasury, so that when it comes time to re-cloth six tables (ouch!) the money is already sitting in the club coffers; and therefore, once you know your minimum needed income based on rent and other fixed monthly operational costs, you need to figure out how your club will generate the extra needed funds for things like cloth and other maintenance/replacement costs. "Assessments" are common, but never rejoiced; and, "Higher Monthly Dues", or, charging additional "greens fees" when one is already paying a monthly, is also irksome to some.

Then we get to the issue of daily cleaning, keeping the club pristine, and who is the guy who unclogs the toilets? Who is responsible for this? Is "maid-service" factored into your operational budget, or, does the Houseman do it, or it is a case of "if you killed the roll of TP, you go to the supply closet and replace it for the next guy"? And, how do you handle those members who do not, and they become "that guy" who leaves a mess for others, and what about the guy who complains about that member?

And, if you decide to hire 4 minum-wage guys to be the on-site Houseman and Maintenance man ( one day man, one night man, and two part-time weekeneders) now, your club is an employer - and that raises operational costs and opens up a whole other bag of issues.

Have to have answers up-front for all these things.

Another thing we discovered during our brain-storming is the concept of each member being required to pull one shift a month as "Houseman", so that someone is always on-site as the go-to-guy, keeping an eye on everything for the rest of the member body, and there to make sure no illegal or destructive shenanigans occur, etc.

If we assume 30 days to the month, open 24/7, with only 50 members, each member would need to pull a couple of shifts, totaling 14.5 hours as Houseman - something to consider if you are looking at higher, versus lower Dues rates. In other words, a guy who is only paying $75 per month is likely much more open to pulling 2 seven-hour shifts per month in addition to a lower dues rates rate, versus a guy paying $200 per month.

Other things we are working with:

Members posting a Cash Bond: Again, if you are dealing with a bunch of well-heeled lawyers and doctors this presents little issue; however, if you are going to be looking at a member-body with much less disposable income, then this creates an issue as to who has the means to join your club - even if they are great guys who can meet their monthly with no issues.

One-man IN, One-man Out: Most private golf clubs in my area have this policy to protect and ensure the on-going operation of the club, once the founding membership body has been installed. The problem becomes when a member signs in agreement to this, then, after they decide the wish to split from the club, either want out immediately and want their bond immediately returned because they have incurred some other financial crisis in their life. HOWEVER, if you have a Waiting List (which is invaluable) of qualified prospective members, then you can rotate old-for-new, and everyone is happy. Real problems I have come to learn by talking with Golf Club managers is when you don't have a guy "waiting in the wings" to get the leaving member out.

All in all, I have come to learn that the majority of creating, organizing, and sustaining a private-member Billiard Club - Which I believe is the wave of the future - is more about running the club than which brand of equipment the club installs, etc.

Thankfully, most of the questions have been answered and problems to overcome, have been answered by the private-member Golf Club model; albeit on a much larger scale.

In the final analysis, once you have all these - and many more - questions answered, the big question becomes:

"Where will you get your initial member body from?".

Consider this: If you live in area with a 50,000 population of people who live within a "reasonable" draw radius, a percent of those will be "suspect" members (those who have a potential interest in such a club); which then, would distill down to "prospect" members (those with the interest AND ability to join the club); when then, distills down to "qualified prospect members" (guy who you would want to be members of your club, and have the interest, time, and money); which then, distills down to those remaining who actually join as a bonafide "installed member".

If you begin with an assumption of 1% capture at each level of recruitment, the math looks like this: 50,000 total population reduces to 500 suspects, which reduces to 5 prospects, and... you're already out of gas before you identify your first qualified prospect, let alone a single installed member.

So, that % capture assumption is critical, and there is no way that I know of, to accurately know if your assumed % is good, under estimated or a pipe dream number. After all, it's an assumption.

If you'd like to talk and compare the deeper details of what I have come to learn, as I am sure in turn there is much I can learn from you, PM me and I will shoot you my cell.

If not, I hope something I've posted here will be of help and/or save you some time or head scratching. - GJ
 
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SBC

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I run my room as a club and it's OK.

Only people you'd trust in your house alone.
Cameras are a must.

Probably best to charge a flat rate pet visit.
Lot of guys will not pay 80 a month for pool...buy will pay 10 a visit and come 16 times a month...

They can bring guests, but they must take them with them when they go.

I see big table pool going this way
....real pool about dead now.

I'm closing in about 6 months
Lot of my old timers passed or left with covid
The reasons I opened the room don't exist anymore.
League pool can have Syracuse..
 

iusedtoberich

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Probably 100’s of members imo. I base that on a commercial room I used to go to in PA that had 8 GC tables and was open for decades.
 

David in FL

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This is the real question

Costs need to be calculated and confirmed

Income needs to be defined

Only then can you determine if it’s a viable idea.

I’m happy to help you out. This is the wrong place to do that yho

Find me anytime

Fatboy

Income is easy to “define”… 😁

But with any business plan, the challenges lie in the assumptions you make going into it…
 

GentlemanJames

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Probably 100’s of members imo. I base that on a commercial room I used to go to in PA that had 8 GC tables and was open for decades.

And here is where research pays off.

8 Tables equals 1,344 table hours per week. Divide this by 100 members, and you arrive at 13.44 Table hours per week per private member. Divide this by 200 members, and you are down to 6.42 hours per week per private member on average.

So, the more members you bring in, the higher your club revenue; but, the lower the access with more members being denied table time.

Going back to 100 Members, now, the question(s) becomes, how much is your pro-rata member cost for those 13.44 hours? How does that compare to the local public room rate of the same 13.44 table hours, and, how does that cost jibe against the wallet of your envisioned typical member who will need to sustain that cost week after week, month after month; and not, only when convenient.

The first major logistical problem which arises is that there will not be an even distribution of working table hours around the 24 hour clock to accommodate all members. There will be peak times (7pm to Midnight?) when the demand for table time will the highest; and, times which there is normally no demand (6am - Noon ?). So, in a practical sense, you really don't have 1,344 working table hours, because of the skewed distribution of demand for table time.

The reality is: There are a lot less working hours to estimate your calculations from, than simply hours on the clock times number of tables.

Is this number reduced by 50%, 65%, 80%? It's hard to say.

If your club is located next to a Hospital, Casino, or Factory which operates on shift-work with a large around-the-clock workforce, and, you can draw enough private members from those sources, then your table time distribution curve takes on a flatter profile with more even distribution; if not, your going to see the typical parabolic curve of distribution - and that is where your problems will begin, and limits your ability to sell more memberships. After all, no one wants to commit to a club where they are paying premium member dues and can't get a table.

Private Golf Clubs have a HUGE advantage over the Private Bill Club, in that, playing in 4-somes, over 18 holes, the Golf Club Starter can start 72 Golfers in a shotgun pattern around the course for approximately 4 hours of play. That's a lot of golf sold just between the hours of 7am - 11am; and, with a whole bunch of "day" left to go.

An 8 table Private Billiard Club, with 2 members playing per table, caps at 16 members active; but then, unlike Golf, when do any of the guys playing release the table? 1 hour? 2 Hours? 4 Hours? 6 Hours? 12 Hours?

And, if how do you deal with the 84 members (100 total - 16 active) who cannot be accommodated while the 8 tables are occupied for an undetermined amount of time?

In Golf, if your group doesn't play at an acceptable pace, you'll catch some flack from both a guy sent out on a cart who will tell you pick it up; and/or, the golfers behind you, who will need to 'play thru'.

The thing to understand here is that unlike table time in Pool, Golf rounds have a relatively fixed time of play; but, with Pool... who knows?

Also, you have to have a plan in place to deal with "those 2 guys" who essentially "live on table 5"; and yet, others members complain that they can't get time during the windows that work for them because they have families, jobs, and a life outside of the Green Felt Jungle. - And, all of them are equal paying members.

And, "those 2 guys who live on Table 5" just reduced your 8 table private club to a 7 table private club, and will kill your assumptions and projections, UNLESS you have an operations plan in place to deal with them; and, not lose them as paying club members.

In the case of TIN MAN and the similar concept I am involved with, it's only 6 Tables; not 8. So the 'wiggle room' is even tighter.

Again, I point this out, as these are all questions which must be answered, above and beyond fixed costs to open the doors and keep them open.

And, this is why I say, the real trick I am learning, is to do a Private Billiard Club successfully is equally about your operation plan, as much as meeting your operating costs. - GJ
 
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Zerksies

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What I like about the private idea. If we are scheduling appointments. Games can easily be booked by the house. I’m an early riser. So booking a game at 9am on a Saturday is fine with me. I’ll pretty much play anyone on any game.
 

Zerksies

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I'm opening up a private pool club with six 9' Diamond tables and a 7' Diamond bar table. Not open to the public. 24/7 key access, etc.

How many members do you think this club would support before table availability becomes a concern?

Also, what do you think a reasonable monthly fee would be? I'm in the Minneapolis, MN area. I'll also be running some guided training out of the club (it is going to be designed for people looking to train and improve). Not nightly classes like a dojo, but not just an anytime fitness. I have my plan and ultimately the market will decide, just curious on thoughts of others.
My one question is how often are the tables and balls being cleaned? When I worked in a pool hall many years ago the morning shift had to clean the place. We developed a system we had the trash, balls and 20 tables cleaned within an hour.

I would assume the ball polisher to be available all the time. I can kinda deal with a dirty table. If they are cleaned daily they are really not that dirty
 

iusedtoberich

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And here is where research pays off.

8 Tables equals 1,344 table hours per week. Divide this by 100 members, and you arrive at 13.44 Table hours per week per private member. Divide this by 200 members, and you are down to 6.42 hours per week per private member on average.

So, the more members you bring in, the higher your club revenue; but, the lower the access with more members being denied table time.

Going back to 100 Members, now, the question(s) becomes, how much is your pro-rata member cost for those 13.44 hours? How does that compare to the local public room rate of the same 13.44 table hours, and, how does that cost jibe against the wallet of your envisioned typical member who will need to sustain that cost week after week, month after month; and not, only when convenient.

The first major logistical problem which arises is that there will not be an even distribution of working table hours around the 24 hour clock to accommodate all members. There will be peak times (7pm to Midnight?) when the demand for table time will the highest; and, times which there is normally no demand (6am - Noon ?). So, in a practical sense, you really don't have 1,344 working table hours, because of the skewed distribution of demand for table time.

The reality is: There are a lot less working hours to estimate your calculations from, than simply hours on the clock times number of tables.

Is this number reduced by 50%, 65%, 80%? It's hard to say.

If your club is located next to a Hospital, Casino, or Factory which operates on shift-work with a large around-the-clock workforce, and, you can draw enough private members from those sources, then your table time distribution curve takes on a flatter profile with more even distribution; if not, your going to see the typical parabolic curve of distribution - and that is where your problems will begin, and limits your ability to sell more memberships. After all, no one wants to commit to a club where they are paying premium member dues and can't get a table.

Private Golf Clubs have a HUGE advantage over the Private Bill Club, in that, playing in 4-somes, over 18 holes, the Golf Club Starter can start 72 Golfers in a shotgun pattern around the course for approximately 4 hours of play. That's a lot of golf sold just between the hours of 7am - 11am; and, with a whole bunch of "day" left to go.

An 8 table Private Billiard Club, with 2 members playing per table, caps at 16 members active; but then, unlike Golf, when do any of the guys playing release the table? 1 hour? 2 Hours? 4 Hours? 6 Hours? 12 Hours?

And, if how do you deal with the 84 members (100 total - 16 active) who cannot be accommodated while the 8 tables are occupied for an undetermined amount of time?

In Golf, if your group doesn't play at an acceptable pace, you'll catch some flack from both a guy sent out on a cart who will tell you pick it up; and/or, the golfers behind you, who will need to 'play thru'.

The thing to understand here is that unlike table time in Pool, Golf rounds have a relatively fixed time of play; but, with Pool... who knows?

Also, you have to have a plan in place to deal with "those 2 guys" who essentially "live on table 5"; and yet, others members complain that they can't get time during the windows that work for them because they have families, jobs, and a life outside of the Green Felt Jungle. - And, all of them are equal paying members.

And, "those 2 guys who live on Table 5" just reduced your 8 table private club to a 7 table private club, and will kill your assumptions and projections, UNLESS you have an operations plan in place to deal with them; and, not lose them as paying club members.

In the case of TIN MAN and the similar concept I am involved with, it's only 6 Tables; not 8. So the 'wiggle room' is even tighter.

Again, I point this out, as these are all questions which must be answered, above and beyond fixed costs to open the doors and keep them open.

And, this is why I say, the real trick I am learning, is to do a Private Billiard Club successfully is equally about your operation plan, as much as meeting your operating costs. - GJ
I agree with all of that.

My main point though is I get the vibe that we are trying to "limit" the number of members, to keep everyone super comfortable, be able to stretch their legs, recline on a lazyboy, etc. It sounds like the only or main source of revenue for this business is memberships. Limiting that up front is a sure fire way to limit the profitability of the business. It's good to have ideas and procedures in place to address crowding during peak times. But I'd try to sell as many possible memberships as I could. Then, IF the crowding becomes a problem, implement some of the crowd control ideas.

Commercial rooms for example never turn anyone away. During peak times they are put on a waiting list.

Memberships are the Gym Model. Even hard core players are not going to show up every day. You oversell capacity as most of the members will stay home and watch TV anyway. Never sell membership to capacity. You are leaving money on the table. I also think the membership might even be a hard sell, and maybe Tin Man could not even fill it with 100 paid members.

If it gets to the point where the place is packed on a regular basis and members are fighting over tabes, well that is a good problem to have, IMO. It means money is coming in.
 

iusedtoberich

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Also from the gym model, there are two price points. The Planet Fitness and LA Fitness models at $10-20 per month, and the CrossFit models at $150 per month. I've been a member to both types for 25 years. The cheap model oversells their capacity a mile. The price is so cheap, that probably 90% of the members keep paying and show up 3 times per year, literally. The CrossFit model makes the price so high, that only the super serious sign up for it, and their attendance rate is significantly higher. It sounds like Tin Man is going for the second model, trying to get serious players. But, the first model probably brings in a hell of a lot more money.
 

kling&allen

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Thanks all for the feedback.

For members, that was almost exactly what we were thinking. 50-60 members. Yes, they will be new 9' Diamond tables. Table time included with membership.

I'm not going to throw around numbers, but I can share the model a bit more. It is me and 3 partners, two silent investors, and me and my buddy actually running the club. It will be no one's income from the onset (my friend and I agreed to run it for 2 years for no income to earn sweat equity). No employees, no payroll. Just members coming in and playing pool. My friend will manage the accounts, collecting dues, and the cleaning. I am going to run training and recruiting.

My training program has a few points to it. One is table time. My MN Pool Bootcamp business is separate from the club, but I will be doing some group lessons out of the club and expect to be able to pay around $500-$1,000 a month in table time to the club. Secondly by doing group training I expect to bring in 10+ new faces a month into our establishment that are excited enough about improving to take a lesson from me, so that will help with initial growth.

As for the training out of the club, yes, there will be a certain amount of training I do that's included in the membership. Nothing one on one, but some general guided training. I plan on doing one clinic a month where I introduce a new skill then have members try their hand at a drill or challenge using that skill to see their initial level. Then I will do training on that skill and work with them on the table. That will be our focus of the month and I will make a point to be drilling on that throughout the month and being around to help others with it as well. The following month when we introduce the new skill I will also have everyone test out of the old skill to see if we can improve as individuals and as a group.

Going further, after I have a roster of skills I am rotating through (including a safety course, shotmaking drills, stroke drills, cue ball drills, etc) I am going to post all of our best scores publicly. So everyone will have their name and picture on the wall, along with their fargo rate and their personal best on each drill. If they aren't happy with their score they can take another shot by reserving the stream table and recording their attempt so we know it's legit with the pressure on. Anyway, what's cool about that is that everyone will be able to see how they stack up in different parts of the game. So you can see the players at the next level and where they out-perform you, but you can also be motivated if someone under your level is better in a certain area. Even without my involvement that will hopefully help people identify where they need to work, as well as have some recorded training seminars targeting those skills available (and me hanging around ready to lend a hand when I'm free). Of course they can always train with me one on one as well, but that would be additional. So limited guided training but an atmosphere where the members are all serious, working together, pushing each other, and lead by me.

Junior training programs are difficult on the national level but may be possible locally. There is a jr program in town and I don't want to step on toes, but if they approach me I can work out a summer camp for them. And I will be doing some serious training out of there, and I'll be looking to play some sets against the members sparring around, as well as bringing in some strong players for me to play some cash games against.

Bottom line, there are a lot of players in town that want to actually learn to play this game well, and demand for my training has been beyond anything I had imagined. I am pretty confident I can fill the club up with members. Oh, I should mention my friend is going to booking some corporate gigs as well. And members will be able to bring friends who then pay a day pass fee.

The pricing being mentioned is in line with our thoughts. I plan on keeping the member cost relatively low, maybe a bit under where we want to be long term. I want to get up to capacity asap so I can run in house leagues and tournaments and have good energy and make sure we launch. We can always edge up down the road and we'll let the members know up front that our pricing is a first year promotional offer so no one is surprised.

I could go on but I hesitate to go any deeper in a public forum. Still, I am excited and have no shame in sharing what we are doing. I am really fortunate to be able to help people with their pool games full time, and looking for ways to help more people to a larger extent.

Sounds like an awesome idea! I suggest you allow at least some of the tables to be reserved online. I'm a member of a few (non-pool) clubs, and there's nothing worse than driving across town and then not having equipment available.
 

GentlemanJames

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I agree with all of that.

My main point though is I get the vibe that we are trying to "limit" the number of members, to keep everyone super comfortable, be able to stretch their legs, recline on a lazyboy, etc. It sounds like the only or main source of revenue for this business is memberships. Limiting that up front is a sure fire way to limit the profitability of the business. It's good to have ideas and procedures in place to address crowding during peak times. But I'd try to sell as many possible memberships as I could. Then, IF the crowding becomes a problem, implement some of the crowd control ideas.

Commercial rooms for example never turn anyone away. During peak times they are put on a waiting list.

Memberships are the Gym Model. Even hard core players are not going to show up every day. You oversell capacity as most of the members will stay home and watch TV anyway. Never sell membership to capacity. You are leaving money on the table. I also think the membership might even be a hard sell, and maybe Tin Man could not even fill it with 100 paid members.

If it gets to the point where the place is packed on a regular basis and members are fighting over tabes, well that is a good problem to have, IMO. It means money is coming in.

You read "the vibe" correctly.

Unlike a commercial public room, where the owner is trying to make as much money as possible in order to live off of, the concept we are working with a that the Equity Members of the Private Club assure the continuance and maintenance of the club for the enjoyment of it's member body; therefore, it only needs profitable enough to achieve that goal; plus about 5-10% to cover variable and infrequent costs as they arise without issuing an assessment to cover those costs.

So again, you are correct.

The concept we are looking at is maximum comfort with maximum pool, versus, maximum revenue with maximum people.

We are looking at our concept from the opposite of that of a for-profit commercial public room; and instead, our question is not: "How can we make the most money with this?"; but rather, "What is the absolute minimum number of members we can accommodate properly and keep the doors open in perpetuity?"

So the goal - in our case - is to actually sell the minimum number of memberships; and, have a solid waiting list of qualified prospective members waiting in the wings on a waiting list; just like your better Private Golf and Exclusive Country Clubs - albeit on a much smaller scale of economy.

Once the 'profit motive' for a private room has been reduced to minimum above operation costs, then you can get away with only 6 tables. How one could possibly make money with 6 tables only - no bar, no restaurant, etc - which is really a bar/restaurant business with 6 tables on the side - is unfathomable to me.

However, we are only looking at covering the costs of a club house with 6 tables in it, with, no one trying to make a living off the club, pay a home mortgage, buy a car, or put braces on a teenager. Once those goals are eliminated, the small, limited membership, private club model becomes feasible, in our estimation.

In our case, selling 'maximum number of memberships' would work directly against our goal; and, lead us down the familiar path of some private golf clubs which get too popular, allow too many members in, over-crowd the club and course, then the whole place gets a bad reputation as disgruntled members flee; and, the club begins to perpetually scramble for replacement members.

So, not disagreeing with anything in your post; but, your ideas, imho, are more properly suited to a 'for profit' commercial enterprise, and not a 6 table private-member owned/operated club - which exists for the pleasure of it's member-body; and not, to financially support a man operating a retail business.

One thing: There would be a small revenue contribution to the operating budget from the profit from things like cold drinks, cue locker fees, and, if a lathe is on-site for repairs with a qualified repairman who comes in twice a week, etc, then those things would be available to the dues paying members; but not at commercial/retail rates, but at a much lower mark-up over cost. After all, the members are the owner/partners; not retail customers. - GJ
 
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