Future of pool stats. Live. In real time.

R

rangelsammon

Member
I wanted to show how tracking pool stats in real time can be interesting to the viewer and used by the commentary. Some of the viewing is a little raw. I am hoping to go live and share during the final day of the International Open. I will do a rating different than TPA but i have not decided what to do yet. I like TPA but there should be more depth to the stat. The match below was from my hometown pool room, Hard Times Billiards in Sacramento. This is the Finals of the Sac Town Showdown by M.O.B. Productions between local junior Adrian Prasad vs Doug Whaley. Enjoy! More to come.
1.png
2.png
3.png
4.png
5.png
6.png
7.png
8.png
 
I doubt that the level of granularity you're dealing with will be of much interest to the vast majority of pool fans.
 
Last edited:
I need to start somewhere other than shot statistics. I want to know how a player won the match. Was it the safety play? Was it because the low outs to win? Was it because of the break and runs? or just a opponent that missed. Now you can see.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
straightline said:
From a sweators POV, there are turns that stats never consider; demeanor FI.
Click to expand...

Please ellaborate

I have considered a “pressure rating”

Depending the next ball whether 2 or 3 for example away from the win.

I track next ball and shape to next ball too. So it would be fairly easy to make a formula but Im still thinking of the idea.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
No offense but i don't know any player that's interested in this level of micro-minutia. Just one guy's $.02 worth, nothing more.
 
rangelsammon said:
Please ellaborate

I have considered a “pressure rating”

Depending the next ball whether 2 or 3 for example away from the win.

I track next ball and shape to next ball too. So it would be fairly easy to make a formula but Im still thinking of the idea.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Happens everywhere. Player gets too confident, apprehensive, ambitious, pedantic... these mood swings may or may not culminate in an eventual error. The stats only reflect errors and successes and analysts try to attatch game theory to the occurrences. For instance where is the stat for the guy read the balls wrong? Yet isn't that a major reason for professional error?
 
straightline said:
For instance where is the stat for the guy read the balls wrong? Yet isn't that a major reason for professional error?
Click to expand...

I think that data can be found and read ahead of time. The challenge is locating the data points to prove and predict. Every sport has been given data to help move the sport along. Its time pool does the same for the viewer and the player. Imagine tracking stats for your “horse” then giving that player the data before their next event or match. Would it help them succeed more knowing factual vs speculative?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
rangelsammon said:
I think that data can be found and read ahead of time. The challenge is locating the data points to prove and predict. Every sport has been given data to help move the sport along. Its time pool does the same for the viewer and the player. Imagine tracking stats for your “horse” then giving that player the data before their next event or match. Would it help them succeed more knowing factual vs speculative?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Stats are great for fans but can be just as detrimental to players as they can benefit players.
 
skip100 said:
A lot of work went into this so congrats on that. The next step will be figuring out 1) the best and most interesting data points to pull out and 2) how to present them to the audience.
Click to expand...

Thanks Skip! Yes I agree, well to be honest at first I was tracking score and shot accuracy. Then using the same data I was able to pull more out. Only the beginning. This can generate in real time too. Play by Play right now is as detailed as “Jumps over the 7 ball and hit the 4 ball, banked the 4 ball to the 6 ball and comboed the 9 ball and pocketed the 9 ball in the right foot to win the game. Shane now trails for a score of 6 - 8.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
rexus31 said:
Stats are great for fans but can be just as detrimental to players as they can benefit players.
Click to expand...
i think this idea of 'giving your horse data' and having it help their next match is off-base to say the least. I've been around a LOT of players over the last 40+yrs and none that i know of would give 5seconds to this. The OP obviously is a dedicated stats/#'s guy and that's fine but i don't see this superfine analaysis of pool helping fan or player.
 
rangelsammon said:
Thanks Skip! Yes I agree, well to be honest at first I was tracking score and shot accuracy. Then using the same data I was able to pull more out. Only the beginning. This can generate in real time too. Play by Play right now is as detailed as “Jumps over the 7 ball and hit the 4 ball, banked the 4 ball to the 6 ball and comboed the 9 ball and pocketed the 9 ball in the right foot to win the game. Shane now trails for a score of 6 - 8.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Seriously? Just curious but are you fairly new to the game? Reason i ask is i don't know anyone in my regular sphere of players that are interested in detail like this. I guess it may appeal to some but i'm betting its a very small number.
 
garczar said:
Seriously? Just curious but are you fairly new to the game? Reason i ask is i don't know anyone in my regular sphere of players that are interested in detail like this. I guess it may appeal to some but i'm betting its a very small number.
Click to expand...

Not new to the game.

Just annoyed at the lack of data in a game I enjoy, hearing people talk about whose the best, saying how something is a record in rotation play without the data, and listening to people commentate that cant recount the history of the game.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
rangelsammon said:
I think that data can be found and read ahead of time. The challenge is locating the data points to prove and predict. Every sport has been given data to help move the sport along. Its time pool does the same for the viewer and the player. Imagine tracking stats for your “horse” then giving that player the data before their next event or match. Would it help them succeed more knowing factual vs speculative?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
You'd have to guess at any such connections. UsefuI data I don't see anywhere is humidity and temperature readings. Matches can and often do turn at the opening and closing of the front door.
 
straightline said:
You'd have to guess at any such connections. UsefuI data I don't see anywhere is humidity and temperature readings. Matches can and often do turn at the opening and closing of the front door.
Click to expand...

I have thought of that too. People that say they know it effects the balls may not be able to prove it does and it might lead to better event conditions. Data can also lead to change of rules like it has done for other sports
 
garczar said:
Seriously? Just curious but are you fairly new to the game? Reason i ask is i don't know anyone in my regular sphere of players that are interested in detail like this. I guess it may appeal to some but i'm betting its a very small number.
Click to expand...
Just because your friends wouldn't use the stats doesn't mean they aren't useful to someone. If a player is too dumb to know how to use them, then a coach might have the wherewithal to read the stats and plan practice sessions based on what the stats tell him. I can guarantee you that the smart pros or their coaches want as much statistical info as they can get. The days when you grew up playing pool are long gone. Now sports are a science.

Most pro sports today have an analytics division or the players employ an analytics firm to get them all kinds of statistics on their play. They pay good money for those numbers.
 
7stud said:
Just because your friends wouldn't use the stats doesn't mean they aren't useful to someone. If a player is too dumb to know how to use them, then a coach might have the wherewithal to read the stats and plan practice sessions based on what the stats tell him. I can guarantee you that the smart pros or their coaches want as much statistical info as they can get. The days when you grew up playing pool are long gone. Now sports are a science.
Click to expand...
How many of the top players of today analyze/use stats to anywhere near this level of detail? I'm betting very few if they do it at all. The AS TPI system is still more than valid. It gives one all you need to know as a player. You really think pool fans are going to want this shot-by-shot breakdown of every match they watch?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top