Hunter v Frost, your stance?
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Oh? So you are calling The_JV a liar? Because he saw the entire incident front to back, says Hunter COULD see the foul, and says he saw it himself, in person.
People make mistakes why you take his word as truth makes no sense. Maybe he thinks he saw a foul but your saying he could not be mistaken? Our eyes can play tricks on us. It does not matter what a spectator saw and I’m not sure why you don’t get this? You are taking his word as fact? By the way I believe him but that’s not the point.
The point is... It's not just "one" person. Hunter says he saw it. The_JV says he saw it. At least one other person in the crowd actively watching Scott's game says he saw it.
The only reason that this is even a debate is that Americans have been playing by amateurish CB fouls only rules for far too long, while the rest of the pool powerhouse countries have been playing by all ball fouls. I blame it on the American league system, whose goal is to make money, not develop players/teams to be better. German league system is set up like soccer, whereas if your team wins the league season, they graduate to the next level and so on, and we play all ball fouls here. As an American who has been exposed to both league systems, I find it refreshing to play under rules that force you to either 1. Play better position so as not to be over a ball or 2. Force you to develop the ability to execute the shots while leaning over a ball in an uncomfortable stance, to avoid fouling. It's a part of the game. You might have seen this one guy Filler, who is exceedingly good at such awkward stance shots. There is a REASON he is good at them. They are a natural product of the rules he grew up playing. Extra few degrees of elevation to make SURE he does not foul, requires more precise cueing while jacked up.
As much as people are berating Hunter for "not doing the right thing" and refusing the bih, the same concept can be applied to Scott. Hunter told him he touched the ball, and so did someone from the crowd. In an all ball fouls tournament, the "right" thing to do would be to immediately give up ball in hand, because you fouled. But nooooooooo.. We got a bunch of people in here raised on amateurish rules who feel he was victimized for having to give up bih when he clearly fouled.
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Please stop posting things that aren't true in this thread, it's getting tiring. Matchroom has not admitted that the ref implemented the rules incorrectly, and they have not promised any changes to the rules. The screenshot from Scott's FB page that you posted earlier in no way supports this statement. If you have some other proof of this, please post it. Otherwise, stop repeating this.
And what if the JV and other spectators are friends with Hunter and dislike Scott? Maybe they all traveled to the tournament together as a group? Their word should still be trusted? You are missing the point but that’s because your stuck on knocking Americans.
It's not Americans so much, as Frost himself. I have had direct experience with playing him in the One Pocket, and he was a total arse when I played well on him. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind he'd play dumb if he felt himself touch the ball, and would never voluntarily give up ball in hand, unless the foul itself was directly on film, or he were in a streaming arena where he couldn't get away with it.
The only player I loathe and distrust more is Denis Grabe from Estonia, who I saw accuse an American player of cheating on the rack before their match, just to get in their head. American offered to let him rack for both of them, but he kept up the accusations to try to get a mental edge.
I haven’t seen anything to the effect of Matchroom indicating the rule was implemented incorrectly. And wouldn’t expect that. They back their refs publicly and sort things out privately. Of course we know she implemented the rule incorrectly and you have to imagine they will recognize that internally. But Emily did state it was a situation that should never happen. She blamed it incorrectly on the WPA rules and took the opportunity to say this is where the WPNPC needs to play its role of sorting things out and get it right moving forward. They are good at tweaking over time as their events have just continuously improved. You can trust that a change is coming. She did signal clearly it’s something they don’t want to happen again.
Part one of this interview! Emily on the Hunter and Frost drama | By Window’s Open | Facebook
Part one of this interview! Emily on the Hunter and Frost drama
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Because the local tournaments he plays in AZ all adopt the local league rules. Just like everywhere else in USA.
Like you could teach Scott Frost a single thing about pool.
So wait a minute.....I haven’t seen anything to the effect of Matchroom indicating the rule was implemented incorrectly. And wouldn’t expect that. They back their refs publicly and sort things out privately. Of course we know she implemented the rule incorrectly and you have to imagine they will recognize that internally. But Emily did state it was a situation that should never happen. She blamed it incorrectly on the WPA rules and took the opportunity to say this is where the WPNPC needs to play its role of sorting things out and get it right moving forward. They are good at tweaking over time as their events have just continuously improved. You can trust that a change is coming. She did signal clearly it’s something they don’t want to happen again.
Part one of this interview! Emily on the Hunter and Frost drama | By Window’s Open | Facebook
Part one of this interview! Emily on the Hunter and Frost drama
Emily said they got it wrong????
Imagine that.
I’m a league guy, I can teach Scott quite a few things about how to miss a ball. The key is to shank 1 out of every 10 balls or so by at least a Diamond.
I’d also be an especially good teacher for “exactly how hard do you need to hit the cue ball for it to end up exactly on the rail”
“How to go for a breakout but end up with the cue ball glued right to the cluster” may be something else I could help him with.
Lessons start at $200/hr
You watch the video from Emily?
She said they screwed up.
But in the mind of shorty it never went down like that cuz Scott was mean to him once.
The biggest problem was the ref not applying the rule correctly but people are human. The second biggest problem was the fans injecting themselves into the match and disrupting the natural course of interaction between Scott and Hunter. The next biggest problem was Scott making a scene of it at the beginning and I only say that because Hunter never called foul. Maybe he was about to or maybe he was going to go along with Scott’s suggestion to have the ref watch the shot. But it never got to the point of finding that out because it was playing out in a way that was drawing attention and Hunter wasn’t contributing to that at all. Definitely once the train was fully off the tracks, Scott accepted his fate in the end with grace and composure better than I was expecting for most people.
Well, it ain't like he really had a choice, but to "accept it like a gentlemen". 1. He was dead money in this event, and knew it. 2. He's not gonna spit in the eye of the organization that is paying him to commentate, and actually doing something to bring more money for the players with a chance to actually run deep in Matchroom events.
It's cool that he was chill about it, but I guarantee you he would not be if he had a legit chance to win the event. That's just not how Scott is built.
Let's keep in mind, that Hunter Lombardo is nowhere close to a world class player, and Scott would have barely fallen over the finish line against him if he had won. #justsayin
Let's keep things in perspective.
Just say..."I was wrong the whole time".