Anyone Use A Rhino Carbon Fiber Shaft?
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could you explain that please
i am unfamiliar with that term
parralell english to me means you have the shot line for center cue ball aiming and move parallel to the the shot line
my understanding is that does not work
but parrallel hand english i dont know what you mean
if you want to pm me to not derail the thread thats ok
I see BHE AND FHE BUT NO PHE
Back-Hand English (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE) - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Answers to frequently-asked questions about Back-Hand English (BHE) and Front-Hand English (FHE) used to compensate for cue ball deflection.billiards.colostate.edu
Great review, I decided to make the jump on a Raven cues 11.8mm carbon at the same price point of the Rhino $199.00. They look extremely well made and are out of California. I will also be doing a review but of course it will be on the Raven! I'm hoping some ones checks out the Kamikaze 11.8, the only reason I didn't make the jump on that one is they are only available in 4.0oz standard right now also those are at a $300 price point, but also look quality made and won't break the bank!
First impressions after 2.5 hours of play. Remember these are 30" shafts so they will inherently feel different than the usual 29" shaft.
First these are well packed with 5 layers of protection including bubble wrap, a plastic sleeve over a plastic tube and double boxed. Impressive though not as fancy as my Cuetec or Whyte Carbon. No matter it's packaging and arrived with no damage and no carbon dust, which is what it's all about.
I ordered 2 shafts, a 12.6mm with a 5/16x14 joint and a 12.2 with a 3/8x8 Chinese radial joint which I'm told is slightly different than an American radial because of patents apparently.
Now for the good stuff, how do they play? Crisply and accurately are the terms that come to mind. Like the Cuetec they are low deflection but not zero deflection. Maybe slightly less than the Cuetec. The important thing is the deflection is consistent and reacts as expected the harder you hit your shot. This isn't true for cheap carbon shafts which I find deflect way too much on harder hits.
The medium tip helps. It's firmer than the How medium on my Cuetec and doesn't feel quite so spongy. I have a soft Kamui black clear which I consider bouncy. Yet the tip grips well. I prefer a crisp hit so I'm pleased.
The Cuetec plays fine and is easy to control, but the Rhinos give a bit more feedback with slightly more vibration, but not too much, with the Whyte Carbon having the most vibration. This is likely because the Rhino is an inch longer but the same weight.
It feels alive like my '80s Meucci but with lower deflection and is much easier to control. I like a live shaft. Again I'm pleased.
My first impressions are very positive and I feel no need to try a Predator which was in the back of my mind. These are quality shafts in my opinion and are a steal for $200.
I was able to break and run with no problem and delicate shots were a breeze. Oddly the 12.6mm felt more precise than the Cuetec. Let me get out the micrometer and check the sizes. Be right back.
Ok, the 12.2mm is dead on at 12.2 and the 12.6 measures 12.69. Odd because the Cuetec is 12.55mm.
Also the 30 inch Rhino12.2 weighs in at 3.8 ounces as does the 29 inch Cuetec. The 30 inch 12.6 Rhino is 4.1 ounces which makes sense as it has a metal pilot.
All very interesting. Only one problem remains. I can no longer blame my equipment when I screw up. 8-( LOL!
First these are well packed with 5 layers of protection including bubble wrap, a plastic sleeve over a plastic tube and double boxed. Impressive though not as fancy as my Cuetec or Whyte Carbon. No matter it's packaging and arrived with no damage and no carbon dust, which is what it's all about.
I ordered 2 shafts, a 12.6mm with a 5/16x14 joint and a 12.2 with a 3/8x8 Chinese radial joint which I'm told is slightly different than an American radial because of patents apparently.
Now for the good stuff, how do they play? Crisply and accurately are the terms that come to mind. Like the Cuetec they are low deflection but not zero deflection. Maybe slightly less than the Cuetec. The important thing is the deflection is consistent and reacts as expected the harder you hit your shot. This isn't true for cheap carbon shafts which I find deflect way too much on harder hits.
The medium tip helps. It's firmer than the How medium on my Cuetec and doesn't feel quite so spongy. I have a soft Kamui black clear which I consider bouncy. Yet the tip grips well. I prefer a crisp hit so I'm pleased.
The Cuetec plays fine and is easy to control, but the Rhinos give a bit more feedback with slightly more vibration, but not too much, with the Whyte Carbon having the most vibration. This is likely because the Rhino is an inch longer but the same weight.
It feels alive like my '80s Meucci but with lower deflection and is much easier to control. I like a live shaft. Again I'm pleased.
My first impressions are very positive and I feel no need to try a Predator which was in the back of my mind. These are quality shafts in my opinion and are a steal for $200.
I was able to break and run with no problem and delicate shots were a breeze. Oddly the 12.6mm felt more precise than the Cuetec. Let me get out the micrometer and check the sizes. Be right back.
Ok, the 12.2mm is dead on at 12.2 and the 12.6 measures 12.69. Odd because the Cuetec is 12.55mm.
Also the 30 inch Rhino12.2 weighs in at 3.8 ounces as does the 29 inch Cuetec. The 30 inch 12.6 Rhino is 4.1 ounces which makes sense as it has a metal pilot.
All very interesting. Only one problem remains. I can no longer blame my equipment when I screw up. 8-( LOL!
Good takes. BTW, there is no such thing as 'zero deflection'. All shafts have some deflection. Just got mine and will test tomorrow.
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Surprised they pack it like that, must be pumping them out.
dendweller
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There was a guy on here that makes his own cf shafts, he said they'd leave black lines on his rails till he started waxing them. Guess waxing is the way to go.
On the other hand, I got a new revo, immediately hit is with one of the wipes that come with it and there was nothing on it so there must be a way, some last step, to stop that from happening.
AFAIK they just micro-sand down to get that slick outer. No sealers so there is some cf dust when new. I got mine last nite and first thing i did was wipe down with 90%alc. First couple wipes were black then after that it came pretty clean. A good wipe down should precede shipping.
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@dr_dave has done several videos testing deflection with CF shafts — not the Rhino, but iirc the Revo, Cuetec, and Whyte. None of them have less deflection than non-CF LD shafts. The Revo matches up with the Z3, my Cuetec matches up with a 314, etc.
I doubt that Rhino has figured out a way to cheat the laws of physics - pure parallel English should not work on shots hit short or hard enough to prevent swerve. If they’re truly beating the Revo’s 19” pivot point by a significant amount, it would be a groundbreaking feat.
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Viking claims there is no sanding with the siege, say they have a new way of putting the layers on that makes it unnecessary.
"increased radial consistency and a smooth, sealed, un-sanded outer surface that stays cleaner and glides smoothly across your skin".
It's a good story. I'm kinda tempted.
WhiteCarbon makes their shafts btw. Actually same co. now.
I think the key here is the deflection on the Rhino, based on my limited play so far, seems consistent and controllable and should be easy to adjust to for most folks.
I use a lot of spin and take on way more thin cuts than most players. I'm curious to see how well the Rhino does with these and that will take some time to find out. The Cuetec is easy to control and will give me a good comparison point. My issue with the Cuetec is it feels a bit deader than I'd like, but that may be tip selection. [shrugs]
I'll report my findings as I learn them. Shaft selection is subjective and personal. I like a crisp hit with predictable results yet consistent feedback from delicate to powerful strokes. I've been a Meucci fan, but don't like the occasional surprises on delicate spin shots, especially along the rails. Carbon fiber seems more predictable for these. The question for me is whether the Rhino is consistently accurate on the longer (with and without spin) shots that separate the men from the boys. Much of that is skill level and talent and it's easy to blame the arrow not the Indian.
Time will tell.
I use a lot of spin and take on way more thin cuts than most players. I'm curious to see how well the Rhino does with these and that will take some time to find out. The Cuetec is easy to control and will give me a good comparison point. My issue with the Cuetec is it feels a bit deader than I'd like, but that may be tip selection. [shrugs]
I'll report my findings as I learn them. Shaft selection is subjective and personal. I like a crisp hit with predictable results yet consistent feedback from delicate to powerful strokes. I've been a Meucci fan, but don't like the occasional surprises on delicate spin shots, especially along the rails. Carbon fiber seems more predictable for these. The question for me is whether the Rhino is consistently accurate on the longer (with and without spin) shots that separate the men from the boys. Much of that is skill level and talent and it's easy to blame the arrow not the Indian.
Time will tell.
I have a Whyte Carbon but it's 11.85 mm and I can't control it well enough on strokes that require some speed. It's good otherwise and I blame my skill level and playing style more than the shaft. My big complaint is that it's expensive as hell.
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How does the knock off radial joint fit your real/patented/American radial pin?
Does anyone know if the 3/8x10 shaft is drilled for a modified 3/8x10 pin (which has a thicker minor diameter)?
What kind of tip is on the break shafts? The website says:
Hard leather? Phenolic?
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On another thread here one of the master clubmakers said the American patented Radial is about 7.6 threads per inch iirc. The Chinese is 8 threads per inch.
The Rhino fits my cheap Chinese radial cue joint so it likely won't fit an American radial. Ask them, they respond quickly.
Thank you Choir Boy for a good review of the shaft.
Which tip do you have on the Cuetec Cynergy that makes it feel dead? I'll like to avoid that.
If you like a crispy hit, I think you do need to try a Revo but not with the soft Victory tip it comes with brand new. A seasoned medium tan tip or a properly pressed 1 piece tip and I hope you can find that crispy feeling.