Predator CONFIRMS revo 12.9 has LOWER deflection than 12.4 !!!

FWIW
i called revo and asked which size shaft had the lowest deflection
the woman who answered first said 12.4
i asked
"not the 11.8"
she said "let me check"
when she came back to the phone
she said "the 11.8 has the lowest deflection"
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Are those tests actually valid scientifically? Are they third-party double-blind? I've never seen any tests that meet the rigors of scientific validation. So, I don't believe they test. They market, they claim, they show videos, but they don't test.
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How the hell could you know what they do/don't do??? Have a spy at Pred/Mezz/Meucci/etc HQ's?? Are they bound by some code of ethics saying they have to release all test results? Plenty of non company-affilited testers all back up the claims of less deflection. You hate them and it makes their claims baseless?? Might wanna step away from that pipe.
 
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bbb said:
FWIW
i called revo and asked which size shaft had the lowest deflection
the woman who answered first said 12.4
i asked
"not the 11.8"
she said "let me check"
when she came back to the phone
she said "the 11.8 has the lowest deflection"
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I've never hit the little Revo but i have hit the 11.8Cuetec. It had little less squirt than 12.5Cuetec and the Rhino 12.8. All these shafts have pretty damn low-deflect. and its like splitting hairs a lot of the time. I can't play with anything under 12.5 so anything i choose will have a tad more squirt. Again, the differences are very small and easily adjusted to.
 
garczar said:
How the hell could you know what they do/don't do??? Have a spy at Pred/Mezz/Meucci/etc HQ's?? Are they bound by some code of ethics saying they have to release all test results? Plenty of non company-affilited testers all back up the claims of less deflection. You hate them and it makes their claims baseless?? Might wanna step away from that pipe.
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I don't care what they do. The point is that if they aren't transparent about their tests, the tests have no validity.
 
I played with the 12.9 since the revo came out . I recently bought a new predator cue from a friend that had a 12.4 . With in a few shots I knew I liked the 12.4 better lol it just felt better.
 
mcc23 said:
Having read some archive discussion where some members here who have tried out both 12.9 and 12.4 revo and found the 12.9 having less deflection longer pivot point (not by much ) then the 12.4 . I decided to confirm this with Predator itself by sending them an email (email photo below ) asking if its true and that the reason why this is so (as mentioend here ) is because even with the 12.9 " being bigger in diameter than the 12.4, its carbon fiber wall in the shaft end is THINNER than the 12.4 and thus lower shaft end weigth and deflection for the 12.9 . In their reply though they did not discuss about the carbon wall thickness comparison between the 2 they did say and I quote

Thank you for contacting us.

The REVO 12.9mm is the lowest deflection shaft, of the three.

I can also tell you, the most popular of the three, is the REVO 12.4mm.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Sincerely,

Kim Newsome (Predator group )

as seen https://www.signalhire.com/companies/predator-group
Kim Newsome is a product specialist at predator and former (?) or still active women pro player who is sponsored by predetor

to be clear my email was sent directly to Predator company , not to Kim, it was Predator's choice to have kim reply to the email
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What does that mean? Does the Shaft deflect less? No, what they mean is the shaft CAUSES less deflection when striking the cue ball off center, EVERY cue shaft made will cause the cue ball to deflect when struck off center, IT'S PHYSICS, so you must compensate for the amount of deflection your cue imparts on the cue ball, is there an advantage to having to compensate less? Maybe, that is for you to decide, what I do know is if you play with same cue you will learn how much to compensate for YOUR cue no matter how much deflection it imparts on the cue ball, I'm not knocking the technology, Predator does a lot for the sport, but if you think tenths of an inch of less deflection is going to make you pocket more balls you are kidding yourself, do yourself a favor and GO PRACTICE, maybe even spend some money on some coaching or a book, there is no short cut to table time done correctly, peace to all my pool playing fanatics who love this sport as much as I do !!!!!
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I don't care what they do. The point is that if they aren't transparent about their tests, the tests have no validity.
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I saw a vid on predator, talked about the guy that came in when he wanted and came up with the whole idea of of making the front end lighter and what difference it made in the deflection. In the vid he had a machine for testing deflection. I think maybe they do test it but I certainly don't know for sure.
 
Predator has been saying the 12.9 has less deflection than the 12.4 since the day the 12.4 was released. This is nothing new.

I have both and can’t tell the difference in deflection. But I hate the way the 12.9 feels in my hands and visually looks next to the CB, and love the way the 12.4 feelS/looks.
 
garczar said:
Did you see the numbers?????? Not enough diff to tell. You need to not worry about this minutia. Find a size/price shaft you like and go PLAY with it.
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Yes i saw the numbers difference is about 2/10 of an inch. Im not worried about it . I just wanted to confirm a observation of some members here in the past that found the 12.9 to have less deflection than the 12.4 which one would think should not be the case.
 
bbb said:
FWIW
i called revo and asked which size shaft had the lowest deflection
the woman who answered first said 12.4
i asked
"not the 11.8"
she said "let me check"
when she came back to the phone
she said "the 11.8 has the lowest deflection"
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In my email i only inquired aboutthe 314 12.4 and 12.9. I did not mention the 11.8 . Had i mentioned it i would not be surprised if they said it was the 11.8
 
iusedtoberich said:
Predator has been saying the 12.9 has less deflection than the 12.4 since the day the 12.4 was released. This is nothing new.

I have both and can’t tell the difference in deflection. But I hate the way the 12.9 feels in my hands and visually looks next to the CB, and love the way the 12.4 feelS/looks.
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Sir did you find the 12.9 slightly less stiffer than the 12.4 in the shaft end due to its longer pro taper and as suspected a thinner carbon fiber wall thickness in the shaft end resulting to lower end mass thus deflection and less stiffness ? Thanks
 
mcc23 said:
Yes i saw the numbers difference is about 2/10 of an inch. Im not worried about it . I just wanted to confirm a observation of some members here in the past that found the 12.9 to have less deflection than the 12.4 which one would think should not be the case.
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Difference is twenty thousandths, not two hundred thousandths.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Be fair.

I also hate meucci, and mezz.
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Meucci i get but Mezz wow they are supposedly the best asian production cue maker. I am actually looking to buy a used mezz cue just for the butt to be paired with a revo 12.9 or 12.4 rather than a full predator cue
 
iusedtoberich said:
I was in the same exact boat as you. Played gen 1 and 2 314's since the mid 90s. I must have had 15 of them at least. (I used to break them when I was young and dumb!).

2 years ago I decided to switch to Revo. I figured the Revo 12.8 was the closest, and bought 3 new ones at 30" long (matching my 314's) to upgrade all my cues to the same shaft. I hated it. The deflection was fine, but the sighting and english applied seemed to be off. It felt bigger in my hands. I think that tiny bit bigger tip was applying less english. So I put them away and went back to the 314-2. Fast forward 6 months and I found a used 29" Revo 12.4 for a decent price. This one fit my hands perfectly. It felt just like the 314's I'd been using since the 90's. It was like riding a bike, everything felt great.

I'd highly recommend the 12.4 if you are coming from a 314. That's my personal experience:)

At minimum, don't do what I did and buy shafts for all your cues without first trying both diameters extensively. Buy used if you need to, you can try them for a month and then sell at the same or similar price.
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The 314 is 12.75 so with a 12.9 you need a bit more tip offset to apply the same amount spin as the 12.75. My stroke is not fluid straight as before since im just a month back to playing after nearly 18 yrs break. So i am condidering a 12.9 then eventually going 12.4
 
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SSP said:
What does that mean? Does the Shaft deflect less? No, what they mean is the shaft CAUSES less deflection when striking the cue ball off center, EVERY cue shaft made will cause the cue ball to deflect when struck off center, IT'S PHYSICS, so you must compensate for the amount of deflection your cue imparts on the cue ball, is there an advantage to having to compensate less? Maybe, that is for you to decide, what I do know is if you play with same cue you will learn how much to compensate for YOUR cue no matter how much deflection it imparts on the cue ball, I'm not knocking the technology, Predator does a lot for the sport, but if you think tenths of an inch of less deflection is going to make you pocket more balls you are kidding yourself, do yourself a favor and GO PRACTICE, maybe even spend some money on some coaching or a book, there is no short cut to table time done correctly, peace to all my pool playing fanatics who love this sport as much as I do !!!!!
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Agree with you 100 % i was just curious to know if its true 12.9 causes less deflection than 12.4.
 
trob said:
I played with the 12.9 since the revo came out . I recently bought a new predator cue from a friend that had a 12.4 . With in a few shots I knew I liked the 12.4 better lol it just felt better.
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Sir did you find the 12.9 slightly less stiffer than the 12.4 in the shaft end due to its longer pro taper and as suspected a thinner carbon fiber wall thickness in the shaft end resulting to lower end mass thus deflection and less stiffness ? Thanks
 
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