What's your escape?

Flakeandrun said:
Taking it 3 instead of 2 would possibly move the 2 ball out into a less safe position. I like trying to catch the outside of the 2, from 2 rails if possible. Safer outcome the way my imagination works it out. This kind of shot unintentionally might end up being a 3 rail though given the side needed to get around the 5/9 in the corner.

One of you guys set this up and have a few cracks at it, then report back lol
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when i say 3 rails i mean i am using a 3 rail kick system to calculate the hit
 
bbb said:
when i say 3 rails i mean i am using a 3 rail kick system to calculate the hit
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You can take the long 2 off the top rail for 3 and a better approach.

Also you didn't like my 3 for the side? :D I chose that because the 2 is big once you get the line wide and the speed is firm enough for separation.
 
Texas Carom Club said:
kick to the long rail 1 rail to the 2
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About 2/3rds to 3/4 between the first 2 Diamonds on the long rail using 2/3 - 3/4 tip of 3 o’clock
English is one way but the amount of English really needs to be looked at from the player’s view.

Personally, I’d rather rely on the one rail kick Diamond System. The photo angle makes it difficult to be
certain on the values but I assigned the CB a starting point on the short rail a 4.75 value and the 2 ball
on the long rail a 8.2 value. So that says to strike the second Diamond on the long rail and to avoid a
scratch, I adjust the CB long rail contact value to 41-42 to make sure the CB contacts the rail a wee bit
north of the 2nd Diamond on the opposite long rail using normal roll (sans any English including follow)
and medium speed. Note: speed will decide the outcome since it will affect the angle off the rail, Ex.,
too firm tightens the angle & too soft widens it & of course, the dreaded……unintended English…..Oops.
If you are shooting off a rail, then be very attentive to the stroke speed since the shot position creates follow.

Anyway, that’s how I see the shot based on the angle of the camera person. If the photo was from the long
rail opposing the player or from behind the player viewing the shot, I could be precise with the kick values.
 
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I might just send the pink ball into the 2. Probably would go around the 9 2 rails though. I want the 2 uptable if I miss.
 
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bbb said:
i think 1 rail off the long rail is the easiest to execute and should be accurate
what did he shoot?
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bbb said:
if you dont go off the side rail and hit the 2 directly i think you leave a shot
if you go off the side rail before the 2 better chance for tougher leave or safe(if you do the short rail first kick)
remember you are using the bridge and might have to get the cue stick out of the way quick (maybe not)
i still like the 3 railer because if you dont make the 2 it will probably bank towards the short rail (jmho...icbw)
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I still think it's the best shot. Regardless of which way you go, the chances of making that 2 are slim to none, it's further down the rail than it appears, that's not an easy make in the side but kicking the short rail 2 railer you have a MUCH better chance at getting safe. If you've read my posts you know I'm a huge fan of 3 railers so I'm pretty confident in my skills and in that situation you're going to, more than likely, be hitting the 2 full or to the left, which will put the 2 into a section of the table with 4 open pockets and at best the CB is sitting near the rail by the side pocket but chances are the two is in the middle of the table and the CB isn't too far away. Hitting the 2 on the right side and sending the CB back towards the 4 ball is the best outcome but that's a way less percentage shot than going short rail first.

All that being said, and as mentioned, I like three railers so I have ZERO doubt that I'm that I would've shot the "3 railer" when in that situation, it's what I'm most comfortable with.
 
bbb said:
if you dont go off the side rail and hit the 2 directly i think you leave a shot
if you go off the side rail before the 2 better chance for tougher leave or safe(if you do the short rail first kick)
remember you are using the bridge and might have to get the cue stick out of the way quick (maybe not)
i still like the 3 railer because if you dont make the 2 it will probably bank towards the short rail (jmho...icbw)
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That's not the way to shoot that kick. You aim with a steeper angle and straighten it back up with high right. Makes the CB travel in a flatter trajectory toward the 2. Makes the ball bigger and increases your odds if running that OB down the rail into a safe situation.

Unless your odds of making the ball are quite large. You always want to kick the OB into traffic if possible. This is what separates the adequate from the best in terms of moves. ...and sry to those who have suggested it, but there's zero chance you're making that ball outside of some incredibly flukey bank to random.
 
The_JV said:
Ah yes, that elusive version of pool wherein you get multiple attempts at a shot until you generate the desired outcome.
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Absolutely. It's called practice. Gotta learn this stuff somehow. Once I got the general speed and billiards level spin, the ball landed pretty much as depicted. I wouldn't say it's the best place to start learning kicks but this one's easy to remember and a few hours at it should reveal and ingrain the hang of it.
 
straightline said:
Absolutely. It's called practice. Gotta learn this stuff somehow. Once I got the general speed and billiards level spin, the ball landed pretty much as depicted. I wouldn't say it's the best place to start learning kicks but this one's easy to remember and a few hours at it should reveal and ingrain the hang of it.
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For sure... nothing like purposeful practice for the rare and random circumstance you're more likely to never see.

You didn't elaborate on your outcomes though. Kinda curious on the layout after 3 rails and a successful hit. Were you using just contact weight and managed to push the 2 just to the rail, or was it a harder swing and CB/2 were left safe..?
 
The_JV said:
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That's not the way to shoot that kick. You aim with a steeper angle and straighten it back up with high right. Makes the CB travel in a flatter trajectory toward the 2. Makes the ball bigger and increases your odds if running that OB down the rail into a safe situation.

Unless your odds of making the ball are quite large. You always want to kick the OB into traffic if possible. This is what separates the adequate from the best in terms of moves. ...and sry to those who have suggested it, but there's zero chance you're making that ball outside of some incredibly flukey bank to random.
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The_JV said:
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That's not the way to shoot that kick. You aim with a steeper angle and straighten it back up with high right. Makes the CB travel in a flatter trajectory toward the 2. Makes the ball bigger and increases your odds if running that OB down the rail into a safe situation.

Unless your odds of making the ball are quite large. You always want to kick the OB into traffic if possible. This is what separates the adequate from the best in terms of moves. ...and sry to those who have suggested it, but there's zero chance you're making that ball outside of some incredibly flukey bank to random.
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I agree with all you said
But For me shooting over a ball and with the bridge
Adding spin decreases my accuracy
So I don’t think I would shoot it that way myself in this situation
I guess I have one more thing to practice
 
The_JV said:
For sure... nothing like purposeful practice for the rare and random circumstance you're more likely to never see.

You didn't elaborate on your outcomes though. Kinda curious on the layout after 3 rails and a successful hit. Were you using just contact weight and managed to push the 2 just to the rail, or was it a harder swing and CB/2 were left safe..?
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Wasn't using a target ball just the cue ball. All I was concerned with was getting the line right, past the side, and through where the 2 would have been. Pt 1 accomplished.
 
bbb said:
I agree with all you said
But For me shooting over a ball and with the bridge
Adding spin decreases my accuracy
So I don’t think I would shoot it that way myself in this situation
I guess I have one more thing to practice
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Well you're really not shooting over the ball with how I'd approach the shot. I get the dislike for the bridge. This a great example of players opting for a less ideal route for sake of avoiding a skill that should be developed like any other. The crazy thing is that bridges really aren't difficult to grow accustomed to.
 
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The_JV said:
Well you're really not shooting over the ball with how I'd approach the shot. I get the dislike for the bridge. This a great example of players opting for a less ideal route for sake of avoiding a skill that should be developed like any other. The crazy thing is that bridges really aren't difficult to grow accustomed to.
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I am friends with the bridge when I stay on the vertical axis
I seem to get more than expected deflection when I try to add spin using the bridge
 
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