Foam...

I wonder if you'll get any responses on the next thread you start!
This is not the way to have a discussion. It's all been good information regardless of whether you got the exact answer you are looking for.
You can skip your turn if you want, just like stop commenting on this same thread if you want, no problem with that. I'd much rather have no answers than off-topic answers, that way it doesn't mess up the thread and the thread doesn't take a divergent path.
 
There are many who use very hard foam, many of which sell pre-filled tubes for your information.
And you can say that no one here has experienced that, everyone should speak for themselves and not the others, it would be more constructive and there would be less disagreement. By the way there is a very big difference in deflection between a filled shaft and another up to 6 inches from the tip. A nice thickness is 0.8mm any tube thicker is a bit crap regarding deflection. I have never tried very hard foam which is why I asked the question, my expectations were not to receive answers from those who have not tried it, there are some who pass on the site which have experienced this, the world does not end after the few off-topic responses that I received, the off-topic responses scrap the threads, you probably know that.
Really? Who?
Who sells tubes with very hard foam?
 
Really? Who?
Who sells tubes with very hard foam?
I will come back a bit later with some names, I'm working at my pool room, changing pocket angle, 256 end rail to do.
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They're all noisy to me . And they don't buckle .
Even the 1MM thick ones . I'd go with .9mm if I had to play with one .
The front end is still not low-end mass to me .
I was gonna take out 5 inches of foam and plugging the top with hydex202 but just gave up on the experiment as I don't get many cf requests .
They make for good breakers though.
I wondered about using something like balsa wood in the front-end. Maybe an experiment in the making...for a Cue-Maker.
😉
 
You can skip your turn if you want, just like stop commenting on this same thread if you want, no problem with that. I'd much rather have no answers than off-topic answers, that way it doesn't mess up the thread and the thread doesn't take a divergent path.
Have at it!
By the way, the thread wasn't messed up till you started being an idiot. There was some good conversation about what goes in a CF shaft for foam.
 
Really? Who?
Who sells tubes with very hard foam?
A friend of mine who is starting have order tubes from China at two place and they arrived with extra hard foam, he is not even able to cut a piece of foam with an exacto knife. I work with Smooth On flexible foam and 0.7mm thick tubes, thicker than 0.8mm is crap in terms of deflection.
 
I wondered about using something like balsa wood in the front-end. Maybe an experiment in the making...for a Cue-Maker.
😉
I have tried balsa wood and maple tennon. I think meucci's CF offerings all use a maple tennon. Works fine, but an inverted ferrule is a more practical design imo. Though I have had customers asking for long ferrules 1/2" and 3/4" and then a wood tennon and a traditional threaded ferrule makes more sense.
 
Have at it!
By the way, the thread wasn't messed up till you started being an idiot. There was some good conversation about what goes in a CF shaft for foam.
This is the reason most cue makers don't post here anymore. Someone wants to to be spoon fed free information, without earning it, no skin in the game, then get pissy if the answer isn't spelled out, step by step. I've said it a hundred times...the internet is the worst thing to happen to cue making.
 
This is the reason most cue makers don't post here anymore. Someone wants to to be spoon fed free information, without earning it, no skin in the game, then get pissy if the answer isn't spelled out, step by step. I've said it a hundred times...the internet is the worst thing to happen to cue making.
Nah, it's the portable lathe. lol j/k
 
A friend of mine who is starting have order tubes from China at two place and they arrived with extra hard foam, he is not even able to cut a piece of foam with an exacto knife. I work with Smooth On flexible foam and 0.7mm thick tubes, thicker than 0.8mm is crap in terms of deflection.
Sounds like you already HAD the answer to your original question .
But, thanks .
 
Sounds like you already HAD the answer to your original question .
But, thanks .
The truth is that I asked a specific question and only people with good experience in carbon could answer, but here among those commenting, no one has much experience in carbon and that's reality. If I didn't have the right to think that someone here had experienced this and to ask the question, that's your problem, the problem of the little band of little friends here who ensure that many experts don't do not or no longer post here. I post in several places here on the forum and have no problems anywhere. I can give you some details on carbon, anyone using 1mm thick tubes and expecting to do low deflection is completely off track, a 0.8mm thick tube is pretty strong and even 0 .7mm to do the job, which will result in a significantly lighter final mass. And for your information, if you had emptied your shaft over the first 6 inches you would have noticed a good difference in deflection. Smooth On is one of the best foam companies and they sell flexible and hard which is very hard, the salesman told me many use hard for carbon shafts, I have always used flexible, I will testing between the 2 by myself and later, because I don't have time for that. There are certainly more than one who have done these tests, some will share their experience and others not, in any case if the thread has allowed certain carbon enthusiasts to learn certain things that is so much the better. When I ask a question about a Mustang and a guy tells me how his Camaro is, my attitude can change very quickly.
 
The truth is that I asked a specific question and only people with good experience in carbon could answer, but here among those commenting, no one has much experience in carbon and that's reality. If I didn't have the right to think that someone here had experienced this and to ask the question, that's your problem, the problem of the little band of little friends here who ensure that many experts don't do not or no longer post here. I post in several places here on the forum and have no problems anywhere. I can give you some details on carbon, anyone using 1mm thick tubes and expecting to do low deflection is completely off track, a 0.8mm thick tube is pretty strong and even 0 .7mm to do the job, which will result in a significantly lighter final mass. And for your information, if you had emptied your shaft over the first 6 inches you would have noticed a good difference in deflection. Smooth On is one of the best foam companies and they sell flexible and hard which is very hard, the salesman told me many use hard for carbon shafts, I have always used flexible, I will testing between the 2 by myself and later, because I don't have time for that. There are certainly more than one who have done these tests, some will share their experience and others not, in any case if the thread has allowed certain carbon enthusiasts to learn certain things that is so much the better. When I ask a question about a Mustang and a guy tells me how his Camaro is, my attitude can change very quickly.
Actually, Kim Bye does.
And as someone who tested foam filled shaft, I see no value in much harder foam.
And as you already proven to yourself, it doesn't.
But, when suggested to try it yourself, you got offensive instead of mentioning you already tried one.
 
Actually, Kim Bye does.
And as someone who tested foam filled shaft, I see no value in much harder foam.
And as you already proven to yourself, it doesn't.
But, when suggested to try it yourself, you got offensive instead of mentioning you already tried one.
When you ask a question, you don't get an answer saying: try it for yourself. Having tried one has no relation to comparing 2 different ones. As for Kim Bye, he mentioned that he preferred 1MM thick tubes and that his customers preferred tubes filled completely, which confirms that he is far from being a specialist in this field, a 1MM tube filled to its entire length is definitely crap regarding the most important thing, deflection. Kim Bye tries to impress, but this is only valid for small beginners, he is good at diverting threads, he is super egocentric, this is not the first time I have noticed it and even on other of my threads. He's an expert at wasting your time and writing for nothing, maybe that will help you understand my reaction to him.
 
The truth is that I asked a specific question and only people with good experience in carbon could answer,
They were answering and I was trying to learn because I don't have experience in CF but you got ugly.
but here among those commenting, no one has much experience in carbon and that's reality. If I didn't have the right to think that someone here had experienced this and to ask the question, that's your problem, the problem of the little band of little friends here who ensure that many experts don't do not or no longer post here.
I wouldn't have commented if you allowed or questioned their answers in a more civilized way. I personally don't know the other posters beyond this forum.
I post in several places here on the forum and have no problems anywhere.
You have had this similar problem on the table mechanics thread in the past. You contributed it to a language barrier and was given a pass.
I can give you some details on carbon, anyone using 1mm thick tubes and expecting to do low deflection is completely off track, a 0.8mm thick tube is pretty strong and even 0 .7mm to do the job, which will result in a significantly lighter final mass. And for your information, if you had emptied your shaft over the first 6 inches you would have noticed a good difference in deflection. Smooth On is one of the best foam companies and they sell flexible and hard which is very hard, the salesman told me many use hard for carbon shafts, I have always used flexible, I will testing between the 2 by myself and later, because I don't have time for that. There are certainly more than one who have done these tests, some will share their experience and others not, in any case if the thread has allowed certain carbon enthusiasts to learn certain things that is so much the better.
You seem to know a lot already about CF so a civilized conversation would have helped so many more of us and you may have been able to finesse the answer you wanted.
When I ask a question about a Mustang and a guy tells me how his Camaro is, my attitude can change very quickly.
I'm pretty sure no camero guys searching mustang websites to put in their two cents. But if you asked about a brake pad problem and they talk about the master cylinder, it doesn't mean it's not related to your problem.
 
I have built over 100 CF shafts from blank tubes. I took the advise of a top cuemaker and use only cotton balls and fill the tube to within 7" of the "little" end. Not one complaint!
 
I have tried balsa wood and maple tennon. I think meucci's CF offerings all use a maple tennon. Works fine, but an inverted ferrule is a more practical design imo. Though I have had customers asking for long ferrules 1/2" and 3/4" and then a wood tennon and a traditional threaded ferrule makes more sense.
Good post Kim.

I have seen many ferrules that have snapped off of the carbon shafts with the T design. Some are solid and some are hollowed out. These ferules look like juma or a similar material and anywhere from .250-1.00" long. A side drop on a hard floor and they snap off at the end of the carbon tube. The wood tendon does greatly reduce this situation. I was going to show a picture of the snapped off ferrule I had laying around but can not find it now.
 
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