Who built Schuler cues after Ray Schuler passed away, and were they good quality cues?

skor said:
Jacoby used to be 5/16x14 and moved to Radial. So buying the Schuler brand for the joint makes no sense as Jacoby didn't use it (or maybe they did for a while)
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They still are, but Jacoby also builds Ray Schuler SLC cues, with the Schuler joint, which they got permission to do from the family who owned the rights to the name and joint.
 
Tobermory said:
I love all six of my Schulers, three by Ray and three SLC.
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Hi, are any of the SLC cues not underlined? The underlined ones were made by Jacoby, and the ones that were not underlined were made by Terry Trim, from what I read. Do you feel the Terry Trim made Schuler cues were high quality? I wonder if they were made in the original Schuler shop. Thanks.
 
skor said:
I wonder why would Jacoby wanted to build cues under the Schuler brand? As far as I remember, Jacoby was a bigger name than Schuler, back when Ray was still alive.
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Maybe to get into the Billiards / Carom cue market? Schuler cues are most known as Billiards / Carom cues, I believe. The joint too. Very solid joint, from what I read.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Hi, are any of the SLC cues not underlined? The underlined ones were made by Jacoby, and the ones that were not underlined were made by Terry Trim, from what I read. Do you feel the Terry Trim made Schuler cues were high quality? I wonder if they were made in the original Schuler shop. Thanks.
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I have one with no line. Not high quality but the cue plays well.
 
FranCrimi said:
Ray actually sold the shop to Terry Trim before he passed away. Ivan and Noel offered to buy the business, but for some reason, Ray refused. I don't know why --- maybe Trim made him a better offer --- but we all felt it was a mistake to sell it to Trim, who's main reason was for his son to have a business. Unfortunately, I don't' think either of them knew anything about cue-making. To show you how much they knew about the pool world, they were considering making Fast Larry a Schuler cue rep.

As for Ray's supposed lack of aging wood, I think at some point Ray must have addressed that problem, because Ray was my cue sponsor back in the 90s and I recall a temperature controlled room filled with wood that was being aged. I've had several of his cues over the years, still do, and have sold several to my students. Only one had a warping issue, but I don't know how that person stored his cue. But that was just one out of dozens that I know about.

I was very happy to hear when Noel started making Schuler cues again, since he was one of the primary cue makers working for Ray.
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So, Terry Trim was not even a cue maker? Did he get any training at all? Or, his son? That is so strange.
 
Ascue said:
I dont think schulers is a5/16 14 if that's what you are saying
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Jacoby pool cues use Radial pin, and 5/16x15 piloted, from what I have seen.

The Schuler SLC cues they built use the Schuler joint, which they got permission from the family to use, from what I read. They are Carom cues, for the most part, I believe. But they also sell regular Pool cue shafts, and CF pool cue shafts for the Schuler cues.
 
billiards_watch said:
I got introduced to Shuler and Hunter but I don't know which. Bobby or Wes? Only because the guy wanted me to buy them.
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oh my, I know this is off topic, but both of those cue makers build great cues. Hunter Classic cues, by Wes Hunter, and Bobby Hunter cues, iirc. They are both great cue makers, and both are fairly rare to see online for sale, I believe. Also, not cheap. For good reason.
 
Ascue said:
I have one with no line. Not high quality but the cue plays well.
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Hi, so the one that is not underlined is the least good quality one, out of the 6? That makes sense, as both Jacoby and Schuler are / were great cue makers. Just not sure about the Terry Trim made cues. Sounds like he was not even a well trained cue maker, but I do not know. Thanks.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Didn't Schuler make a proprietary (or at least unusual) pro taper? I see there are 8 tapers available now.

pj
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He mostly made Carom cues, I believe. They had a Carom taper, and were a few inches shorter then the average pool cue length, at around 56 inches long, I believe. Very conical taper to them. He also made pool cues though, with a standard length, and I assume regular pro taper. He was a Carom player though, and probably mostly known for his Carom cues.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
He mostly made Carom cues, I believe. They had a Carom taper, and were a few inches shorter then the average pool cue length, at around 56 inches long, I believe. Very conical taper to them. He also made pool cues though, with a standard length, and I assume regular pro taper. He was a Carom player though, and probably mostly known for his Carom cues.
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That sounds right - the taper I recall hearing about was close to conical, but "customized" a little. Good reviews.

I was actually at Ray's shop once back in his day, but that was as much as I knew him. He was a celebrity in Chicago pool circles (a competitive field for cuemakers).

pj
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vintagecollectibles831 said:
He mostly made Carom cues, I believe. They had a Carom taper, and were a few inches shorter then the average pool cue length, at around 56 inches long, I believe. Very conical taper to them. He also made pool cues though, with a standard length, and I assume regular pro taper. He was a Carom player though, and probably mostly known for his Carom cues.
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A lot of people don't know this, but during the last years of Schuler Cues under Ray, he was experimenting with low deflection shafts. He would send me prototypes to give him feedback. They were actually very good and played just as well as the early Predator shafts. I think he had them on the market for a very short while, but then when he sold the business they disappeared. I still have one of his prototypes, I think.
 
FranCrimi said:
A lot of people don't know this, but during the last years of Schuler Cues under Ray, he was experimenting with low deflection shafts. He would send me prototypes to give him feedback. They were actually very good and played just as well as the early Predator shafts. I think he had them on the market for a very short while, but then when he sold the business they disappeared. I still have one of his prototypes, I think.
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Were the shafts Laminated, like Predator 314? Or, did they just have very short ferrules, to make them more LD?
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Were the shafts Laminated, like Predator 314? Or, did they just have very short ferrules, to make them more LD?
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Not laminated but the top of the shaft past the ferrule was hollowed out. I recall that he said he had a conversation with the guys at Predator to make sure he wasn't infringing on their patent.
 
FranCrimi said:
Not laminated but the top of the shaft past the ferrule was hollowed out. I recall that he said he had a conversation with the guys at Predator to make sure he wasn't infringing on their patent.
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I heard Predator had a patent on the hole (Ed Young was kind enough to risk violating it for me).

pj
chgo
 
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