So many tips to choose from.

SSP said:
You have to factor in the price of the lathe, glue, cleaners, razor blades, as well, nothing good worth having is cheap.
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People do not understand what it costs to learn how to do things and what equipment costs.
It reminds me of David Thorne's spider/pie charts/missing cat flyers.

I had a guy who wanted a stainless plate made with his personal intricate design cut into it as well as mounting holes.
The design was such that the plasma guys would not touch it.
He sent me a pic and I created a DXF for his approval and quoted $150 (he supplied the plate).
That is for the design work, creating a fixture, tooling the machine, writing the program, etc.
He passed on it because the price was too high. I stood to make about $30/hr. No way did he find it cheaper. I"m roughly 1/3 the cost of other local shops
because my hours are not that important since my shop is my happy place.
 
Back when AZHousePro was running his 10 Event Tour, the guy who won most events, or placed near top.

Used a LePro Tip, how could that be?

Guys Skill, no his Tip.
 
MitchAlsup said:
Bill Gates makes nearly $100,000 in the time it takes him to bend down and pick up a dime.
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There is a point at which money does not do anything for you - he passed that point many many years ago.
The whole idea is to just accumulate enough money that the thought of bending for a dime would never cross your mind. Once you have the basic comforts under wrap - the rest is all about health and love of those that you care for - nothing else really matters.
 
I've tried most at one time or another. I've got a Naolly to throw on a Revo soon. The rest of my CF shafts generally have either a Zan Hybrid Max or a Taom Fusion on them. I do have one that I got a medium Ultraskin put on recently but haven't gotten a chance to shoot with it yet.

I'm pretty lucky though as it doesn't cost me much to try them out. I've got a buddy that does tips so all it costs me is the price of the tip. Even before that, there's a shop here in Austin that did them for $15 plus the tip.

For Naolly: I contacted their U.S. Facebook page and had a tip shipped to me. They said that they are working to get their tips to manufacturers and available for sale early next year.
 
JolietJames said:
People do not understand what it costs to learn how to do things and what equipment costs.
It reminds me of David Thorne's spider/pie charts/missing cat flyers.

I had a guy who wanted a stainless plate made with his personal intricate design cut into it as well as mounting holes.
The design was such that the plasma guys would not touch it.
He sent me a pic and I created a DXF for his approval and quoted $150 (he supplied the plate).
That is for the design work, creating a fixture, tooling the machine, writing the program, etc.
He passed on it because the price was too high. I stood to make about $30/hr. No way did he find it cheaper. I"m roughly 1/3 the cost of other local shops
because my hours are not that important since my shop is my happy place.
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Do you really think you are worth $30 an hour? Do you think you work for the Government........
 
SSP said:
Do you really think you are worth $30 an hour? Do you think you work for the Government........
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I personally wouldn't get out of bed for $30 an hour. It would take much more than that to even peak my interest. Brian.
 
a1712 said:
I personally wouldn't get out of bed for $30 an hour. It would take much more than that to even peak my interest. Brian.
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I don't blame you one bit, If it was me and you quoted me $150 I would have not only paid it I would have tipped you as well for creating a custom piece for me.
 
j2pac said:
Not sure I agree. I have used tips that I hated almost immediately. Some glaze and mushroom far worse than others, hold chalk better, etc. All leather is not equal...Differences in manufacturing process, quality control, and so on.
Just an opinion from the cheap seats.
Carry on.
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Now with the Bulletproof Recoil tip there is a synthetic tip, no leather, I'm hard on tips and most tips only lasted me 4 months or so, I'm almost 1 year on the Recoil tip and I got at least 6 months if not more.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Back when AZHousePro was running his 10 Event Tour, the guy who won most events, or placed near top.

Used a LePro Tip, how could that be?

Guys Skill, no his Tip.
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LePro are inconsistent but if you get a good one, it's a great tip. I have no idea if there is a way to tell which are good and which are junk out of the box, I still have like half a box from when I was more active at installing tips, it was the cheap option.
Marcus Dienst the maker of Arthur cues swears by them but then again, his cue is the one that warped the most in my collection over the years of sitting in a case.
 
Lepros are really tricky tell a good one. Some are very hard and some not so hard. Unfortunately you don't know until you get one on there. I am getting more convinced by triangles though. The really good ones, play as good as anything out there. I have found, if the sides of the tip, burnish well by changing color its nice medium.
and If the sides stay the same color after burnish, as you sanded it (gray 'ish) its probably going be very soft.
I went through around 4 tips before i found a good one. Some guys can tell before they install, and many say the 15mm play better.
 
I never understood why solid one layer leather tips from the same lot would play different from each other. I imagine the process as starting from a larger piece of leather from which many many tips are produced/ so a box of tips should most likely all come off the same larger tanned leather hide. I could understand different lots of tips being different because they don’t all come from the same hide.
 
SSP said:
I don't blame you one bit, If it was me and you quoted me $150 I would have not only paid it I would have tipped you as well for creating a custom piece for me.
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Sounds good, but not like he's giving you a haircut or waiting your table.

Different notions, I guess.

I quote someone a price for work, someone quotes me a price for work, custom or otherwise, that's the price --- I'm sure someone would be polite if a tip was offered (and likely decline), some would take it, which is fine and up to them, and some would absolutely feel a bit insulted.

When I picked up my cue from Pat Diveney, for example, I paid him what he told me the cue cost, no thought of a tip and he wouldn't have wanted one. When I went to downton Iowa City for lunch after - tipped the server.

Oh well, I've never understood the notion of tipping postal service workers but if someone does a great job on something and there is something special about it or I know I got a great bargain I might do some research and get him or her a gift certificate for a meal for two at their favorite restaurant or maybe a gift of a dozen of his favorite golf balls - something thoughtful.

All part of the vagaries of human interaction!
 
mikemosconi said:
I never understood why solid one layer leather tips from the same lot would play different from each other. I imagine the process as starting from a larger piece of leather from which many many tips are produced/ so a box of tips should most likely all come off the same larger tanned leather hide. I could understand different lots of tips being different because they don’t all come from the same hide.
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The hide of the same animal is not the same all the way through just like the grain of a tree is not the same all the way through, that is the advantage of CF and synthetic cue tips, I'm sure there are some small differences in the formulas but they are going to be more consistent than what natural products will be in my opinion.
 
skor said:
LePro are inconsistent but if you get a good one, it's a great tip. I have no idea if there is a way to tell which are good and which are junk out of the box, I still have like half a box from when I was more active at installing tips, it was the cheap option.
Marcus Dienst the maker of Arthur cues swears by them but then again, his cue is the one that warped the most in my collection over the years of sitting in a case.
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Way inconsistent, Years ago i would put on about 4-5 before i found a good one that i liked. Near the end of me using them tips. I noticed a few things about shape and hardness that worked for me. Which got tip installs to about 1-2 tips.

But tips are more about feel then anything else.
 
jeephawk said:
Sounds good, but not like he's giving you a haircut or waiting your table.

Different notions, I guess.

I quote someone a price for work, someone quotes me a price for work, custom or otherwise, that's the price --- I'm sure someone would be polite if a tip was offered (and likely decline), some would take it, which is fine and up to them, and some would absolutely feel a bit insulted.

When I picked up my cue from Pat Diveney, for example, I paid him what he told me the cue cost, no thought of a tip and he wouldn't have wanted one. When I went to downton Iowa City for lunch after - tipped the server.

Oh well, I've never understood the notion of tipping postal service workers but if someone does a great job on something and there is something special about it or I know I got a great bargain I might do some research and get him or her a gift certificate for a meal for two at their favorite restaurant or maybe a gift of a dozen of his favorite golf balls - something thoughtful.

All part of the vagaries of human interaction!
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In my experience any time you are doing something "custom" you always run into something you don't expect, skilled craftsman who do exceptional work never let something leave the shop without it being up to that craftsman's standard, even if they didn't quote the price just right, I have never had someone tell me they felt insulted by offering a tip, I have had someone tell me "you don't have to give me a tip" I told them their work exceeded my expectations and they deserved it, I'm sure they understood it was a sign of appreciation for their great work.
 
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