I wonder how can a table be altered for one player to play good
But not for the other
But not for the other
Dominguez vs Guama race to 50 for 80+ per side
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He brought a faulty setup closer into spec. I imagine he knows enough to feel in the torque to his liking but what of it? It's like aiming a shot:
Hey you make too much adjust on da boll...
Hey you make too much adjust on da boll...
if fixed to roll differently from what the other expects. same with banks. and idiosyncrasy on specific points on rails.
especially if the other person is familiar with the table as it was.. which i believe was the case and the point of playing on that table.
The unanswered question (as far as I can see) is what Guama and his team knew about Oscar tightening the bolts. Oscar said he did it openly.
If Guama or his team saw Oscar doing this, then to me they could either demand the bolts be loosened or call off the match. I don’t think they can play with knowledge and complain later.
If Oscar did it openly but not in view of Guama or his team, I think they’ve got a point. I don’t think Oscar is cheating if that’s what happened, but I don’t think you can change the playing conditions without the opponent’s knowledge.
If Guama or his team saw Oscar doing this, then to me they could either demand the bolts be loosened or call off the match. I don’t think they can play with knowledge and complain later.
If Oscar did it openly but not in view of Guama or his team, I think they’ve got a point. I don’t think Oscar is cheating if that’s what happened, but I don’t think you can change the playing conditions without the opponent’s knowledge.
If they knew, they mighta just gone ahead and played through. They win, they win. They lose, they call foul.
If the rails were playing different any pro would be able to tell after a few hours of play, if you didn't notice a difference until after you lost then it's just an excuse. If 30k was paid off and 50k was bet between dozens? of people on the side then it'll never get paid off if it hasn't been now. If it's the same/similar issue he had w Archer then Oscar isn't gambling on pool so much that he's gambling on whether or not he'll ever get paid even if he wins. The more people involved with the bet would FORCE you to make sure ALL of each side is POSTED, otherwise BOTH sides are gambling on pool and payment even if they do happen to win which is nutty.
Oscar should've asked the owners permission to adjust the table, now if Guama owned the table that'd be entirely different. One ball was hit a bit over pocket speed and went backwards instead of into the pocket which shouldn't happen on any 9 foot table.
Oscar should've asked the owners permission to adjust the table, now if Guama owned the table that'd be entirely different. One ball was hit a bit over pocket speed and went backwards instead of into the pocket which shouldn't happen on any 9 foot table.
Yeah, that could be what happened. My point is that I don’t think that avenue should be open to them. If you know and play, it’s too late to complain later IMO
That's matching up for cash. 'Course being uninvolved helps the analysis. lol.
From what has been said online, the original $30k was posted on each side. Additional money was added later and not posted.
Unless Dominguez covered all that, he lost tip money... if that.
If you were looking to pull shenanigans you'd want to not post all of your end especially if you knew the other side would 100% pay off theirs if they lost post/no post. If you are planning on shenanigans if you lose you'd fire an air barrel and take a game when you have the worst of it without the intention of paying off in full maybe with a built in excuse the entire time. Either way the more people involved gave BOTH sides more incentive to Post everything.
The Twilight Zone episode with the "rich" dude betting he won't talk for an entire year should be a lesson for ANYONE BETTING ON ANYTHING to make sure BOTH sides POST!
Interesting look at wad wrestling. Thanks.
If Oscar doesn't get paid off in full again I'd kinda view him as the hunter in the joke about the hunter and the bear. I'm an Oscar fan but good people typically have shenanigans pulled on them because they expect others to treat them how they treat people themselves but that's not how the world works especially the more $ that's involved. I think both sides made bad judgements but hopefully Oscar gets paid off. If it doesn't everyone will be talking about "Don't play Guama" meanwhile a month later the dude will still be playing big sets.
He got the posted 30 right?
Yes, according to the online discussion
Allegedly lol. Oscar posted during the Archer debacle the problem is the full amount is never fully posted for ANY BIG MATCHES. I have no reason to doubt his word but that means shenanigans are potentially happening in half of any decent sized sets but are kept behind closed doors?? Who knows but there's a reason it's called gambling and more reason to not partake in it. There are a LOT of sub 700 fargo BIG sets that just don't make sense to me but BOTH SIDES could just be playing fairy tale type sets to increase views/PPV revenue/Subscribers.
Speaking of digital recording, the Philippines action on youtube is all barking, screaming and hand signs. Still, no bad stories come to light.
At least historically, the story was that many of the backers for money matches were the type of people you didn’t want to cross like that.