Lowest deflection kielwood

I think that Kielwood to shafts is like Custom pool cue to butts.
They look nicer but they don't really play nicer compared to a high performance shaft/cue. It's mostly all in our head.
If Kielwood was such a great option, I think that we would have seen more pros and top players use them, but they choose carbon fiber.
 
skor said:
I think that Kielwood to shafts is like Custom pool cue to butts.
They look nicer but they don't really play nicer compared to a high performance shaft/cue. It's mostly all in our head.
If Kielwood was such a great option, I think that we would have seen more pros and top players use them, but they choose carbon fiber.
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Agreed. If Tyler was using a normal low deflection shaft like a Predator or something, maybe he wouldn't have missed that many 9balls at the MC :ROFLMAO:
 
skor said:
I think that Kielwood to shafts is like Custom pool cue to butts.
They look nicer but they don't really play nicer compared to a high performance shaft/cue. It's mostly all in our head.
If Kielwood was such a great option, I think that we would have seen more pros and top players use them, but they choose carbon fiber.
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i dont disagree with you, the color is what attracted me to using one in the first place
 
skor said:
I think that Kielwood to shafts is like Custom pool cue to butts.
They look nicer but they don't really play nicer compared to a high performance shaft/cue. It's mostly all in our head.
If Kielwood was such a great option, I think that we would have seen more pros and top players use them, but they choose carbon fiber.
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I initially agreed on this as this is my perception thus far since I haven't tried one yet and curious how it fares against a regular maple shaft and the old 314 (I liked that shaft) I got just before I stopped playing pool 3 years after that. The verdict will come out eventually once it's done and arrived. I don't know how it would perform but I don't think that it will perform better than my Fortis Pro, but if ever enjoy playing with it, I wouldn't mind either. I selected a compatible pin so at least I could use my Fortis Pro alternately.
 
skor said:
I think that Kielwood to shafts is like Custom pool cue to butts.
They look nicer but they don't really play nicer compared to a high performance shaft/cue. It's mostly all in our head.
If Kielwood was such a great option, I think that we would have seen more pros and top players use them, but they choose carbon fiber.
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You could be right, but I've seen a lot of people go to carbon, then switch back to wood after awhile. So far by me, I haven't seen anyone that has switched to kielwood go back to whatever they were using before. Just something to think about.
 
the sound comes after the ball is gone so it doesn't matter. why would it bother you. if you saw my golf clubs and the balls i use you would certainly want to raise the bet.
i had some junk stick that sounded like it was cracked and hit fine and my opponents couldn't make a ball as it bothered them so much.
never had trouble getting action with that stick. i don't remember what happened to it. i must have left it someplace.
 
muskyed said:
You could be right, but I've seen a lot of people go to carbon, then switch back to wood after awhile. So far by me, I haven't seen anyone that has switched to kielwood go back to whatever they were using before. Just something to think about.
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Yes, they switched back to wood but not kielwood.
One of the reasons to stay with wood is if you don't like to use a glove, with kielwood you need to use a glove (Yes I know there some out there who use kielwood and cf without a glove but they are the exceptional), Kielwood maybe smooth but not as slick as regular wood or CF and it catches my skin of the bridge hand. CF is the smoother and slickest but catches dirt and sweat fast and gets sticky and just wiping it down with a towel like standard wood doesn't work, got to get those alcohol wipes out and it's just a hustle during play that I just go for the glove.

I go back and forth between CF and LD wood when it matters like in a league or a tournament, and once in a while my kielwood or just standard maple when I just like to fool around.
Lately I'm using my old trusted 314-2 shafts more, I think that I just prefer to avoid the glove.
 
maha said:
the sound comes after the ball is gone so it doesn't matter. why would it bother you. if you saw my golf clubs and the balls i use you would certainly want to raise the bet.
i had some junk stick that sounded like it was cracked and hit fine and my opponents couldn't make a ball as it bothered them so much.
never had trouble getting action with that stick. i don't remember what happened to it. i must have left it someplace.
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It's a personal thing. I wouldn't have known about it if gasczar didn't mention it. it resembles a sound when one of my cue shaft gets loose during play.
 
skor said:
Yes, they switched back to wood but not kielwood.
One of the reasons to stay with wood is if you don't like to use a glove, with kielwood you need to use a glove (Yes I know there some out there who use kielwood and cf without a glove but they are the exceptional), Kielwood maybe smooth but not as slick as regular wood or CF and it catches my skin of the bridge hand. CF is the smoother and slickest but catches dirt and sweat fast and gets sticky and just wiping it down with a towel like standard wood doesn't work, got to get those alcohol wipes out and it's just a hustle during play that I just go for the glove.

I go back and forth between CF and LD wood when it matters like in a league or a tournament, and once in a while my kielwood or just standard maple when I just like to fool around.
Lately I'm using my old trusted 314-2 shafts more, I think that I just prefer to avoid the glove.
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I'm never going back to powder. I prefer wearing gloves now rather than bare. I always get my cue towel ready for wiping off the carbon shaft once it gets sticky. yeah and having some alcohol wipes on the go is a must.
 
skor said:
Yes, they switched back to wood but not kielwood.
One of the reasons to stay with wood is if you don't like to use a glove, with kielwood you need to use a glove (Yes I know there some out there who use kielwood and cf without a glove but they are the exceptional), Kielwood maybe smooth but not as slick as regular wood or CF and it catches my skin of the bridge hand. CF is the smoother and slickest but catches dirt and sweat fast and gets sticky and just wiping it down with a towel like standard wood doesn't work, got to get those alcohol wipes out and it's just a hustle during play that I just go for the glove.

I go back and forth between CF and LD wood when it matters like in a league or a tournament, and once in a while my kielwood or just standard maple when I just like to fool around.
Lately I'm using my old trusted 314-2 shafts more, I think that I just prefer to avoid the glove.
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That's painting with a pretty broad brush.

Only one example, but my Diveney Kielwood is the smoothest, slickest shaft I have other than my CF Becue. Maybe your experience is without one with a proper finish, no idea. But I doubt mine is some sort of unicorn.

Feels fine, sounds fine and LD if you like that. If not, of course don't use one, play what you like and what works with your experiences.
 
jeephawk said:
That's painting with a pretty broad brush.

Only one example, but my Diveney Kielwood is the smoothest, slickest shaft I have other than my CF Becue. Maybe your experience is without one with a proper finish, no idea. But I doubt mine is some sort of unicorn.

Feels fine, sounds fine and LD if you like that. If not, of course don't use one, play what you like and what works with your experiences.
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Yes my Kielwood shaft is the smoothest and slickest wood shaft I have also by a big margin. I have 4 Jacoby wood shafts and many other wood, Schon, McDermott, Joss, and DZ, all less slick than my Jacoby Kielwood. My Kielwood is probably the only wood shaft I have that I could easily use for hours without a glove.
 
The BD ss360/2 is a really good shaft. If you get one in curly maple they look GREAT. However, it won't have as low deflection as a Z3. Definitely lower than standard maple, though
 
1. If you need a glove with a Kielwood shaft then the shaft is not finished correctly.
2. Pros generally play with what pays them the most, not what might play the best. Bergman plays with my SS360, Chohan plays with a Pierce. Many top players use Kielwood and the numbers are increasing for a reason.
3. LD Kielwood shafts are high performance shafts regardless of what someone thinks.
4. The transition from CF to Kielwood is fairly natural as Kielwood is slightly stiffer than regular Maple, more similar to the stiffness of CF.
 
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For what it is worth:

The best kielwood shaft I have played (and own) comes from a guy out of Washington state (IMO of course). Bryan Covey sp? (BC Cues) makes them. They are 6 piece pie cut with a 1mm hollow core. His shafts just feel "right". I met him at the Expo a few years ago and bought one of his cues, I liked the shaft so much I had him make me one for my main player (Schon). I highly suggest you try one of his shafts at the expo if you get a chance.

Hsunami 1.0: This is a close second to the BC shaft. For me this shaft really excels at remaining stable while powering the ball around the table. Firm hit but feels great. If you like to move the ball a lot I suggest trying one.

Lucasi Infuzed: I never got along with this shaft. I am sure it works for some people, but not for my game.

Pure X: This shaft was a surprise. It played a lot like a 314-3 to me (which is a good thing) For the price I got it used it is not going anywhere.

Meucci KW: A friend has one of these and it plays quite similar to their standard Pro shaft.

I have yet to get my hands on a Hsunami 2.0, but would like to try one someday.
 
BobPA said:
For what it is worth:

The best kielwood shaft I have played (and own) comes from a guy out of Washington state (IMO of course). Bryan Covey sp? (BC Cues) makes them. They are 6 piece pie cut with a 1mm hollow core. His shafts just feel "right". I met him at the Expo a few years ago and bought one of his cues, I liked the shaft so much I had him make me one for my main player (Schon). I highly suggest you try one of his shafts at the expo if you get a chance.

Hsunami 1.0: This is a close second to the BC shaft. For me this shaft really excels at remaining stable while powering the ball around the table. Firm hit but feels great. If you like to move the ball a lot I suggest trying one.

Lucasi Infuzed: I never got along with this shaft. I am sure it works for some people, but not for my game.

Pure X: This shaft was a surprise. It played a lot like a 314-3 to me (which is a good thing) For the price I got it used it is not going anywhere.

Meucci KW: A friend has one of these and it plays quite similar to their standard Pro shaft.

I have yet to get my hands on a Hsunami 2.0, but would like to try one someday.
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For what it's worth..... I make the 6-pie blanks for Bryan and a few other cue makers.
 
skor said:
I think that Kielwood to shafts is like Custom pool cue to butts.
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Agree with you.
skor said:
They look nicer but they don't really play nicer compared to a high performance shaft/cue. It's mostly all in our head.
If Kielwood was such a great option, I think that we would have seen more pros and top players use them, but they choose carbon fiber.
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I think they are all much the same maple, roasted, carbon (minus taper, sound, texture etc). But the reason we don't see KW shafts pushed more is the cost vs resale value. The additional time and cost does not equate to the same level of profit as a 5$ carbon tube sold for hundreds of dollars.

I really like my KW shaft, but I wouldn't have spent hundreds on it if I wasn't given it. Living here, where people far richer than I will ever be, throw money at hype, I have tried many, many maple, carbon and KW shafts. I've also had countless conversations with players far better than I will ever be about 'pool equipment' - the general consensus being, most of the 'LaTeSt TeCh' is designed to take your money, not make you play any better. If I was not using this shaft, I would be using the Zen Xpro that sits in my case. I also like the ILC z8 which has a slightly thicker taper. I wouldn't be that bothered by it.
 
your shaft is the cheapest part of your cue. so it makes sense to have the shaft you want. and its also the most important part as far as your shooting. so same for that.

we all have our own ideas about shafts. but if you are arguing because of costs, then you lost already. because of the butt shaft cost relationship.
 
BobPA said:
For what it is worth:

The best kielwood shaft I have played (and own) comes from a guy out of Washington state (IMO of course). Bryan Covey sp? (BC Cues) makes them. They are 6 piece pie cut with a 1mm hollow core. His shafts just feel "right". I met him at the Expo a few years ago and bought one of his cues, I liked the shaft so much I had him make me one for my main player (Schon). I highly suggest you try one of his shafts at the expo if you get a chance.

Hsunami 1.0: This is a close second to the BC shaft. For me this shaft really excels at remaining stable while powering the ball around the table. Firm hit but feels great. If you like to move the ball a lot I suggest trying one.

Lucasi Infuzed: I never got along with this shaft. I am sure it works for some people, but not for my game.

Pure X: This shaft was a surprise. It played a lot like a 314-3 to me (which is a good thing) For the price I got it used it is not going anywhere.

Meucci KW: A friend has one of these and it plays quite similar to their standard Pro shaft.

I have yet to get my hands on a Hsunami 2.0, but would like to try one someday.
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Interesting. I considered getting a Pure X late last year. The only reason I didn't buy it because there was no stock for a radial pin. I ended up getting a Fortis Pro which I don't have any regret at all.
 
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