chohan usually does. gomez often not far behind tho.
i think lunda and garcia were bargains. could be argued fedor is overvalued. he is the betting favorite of course, but total pot is like 50-60k lower than last year. he has to final for ROI?
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chohan usually does. gomez often not far behind tho.
i think lunda and garcia were bargains. could be argued fedor is overvalued. he is the betting favorite of course, but total pot is like 50-60k lower than last year. he has to final for ROI?
wacokid9ball
Member
Because Gorst was the highest, and rightly so.
I am interested to see how Marco Teutscher fares. I bet he plays better one hole than people figure if he is at Buffalos and not at the Scottish Open. His Fargo is comparable to Morra. I am thinking the $1900 Calcutta number for him is a bargain.
kollegedave
Great rotation player but his resume is a bit thin on the 1pocket side.
Lou Figueroa
Gomez went for more than Tony?? Wow.
lost to bustamonte and delawder
DieselPete
Well-known member
Got bored and wanted to look back at the payout compared to the costs to buy each player.
Evan Lunda $130k/20k (+$110k)
Fedor Gorst $65/$46 (+$19k)
Justin Hall $40/$17 (+23k)
Tony Chohan $28/$33 (-$5k)
Roland Garcia $17/$16 (+$1k)
Mark Magi $17/$4,500 (+$12,500)
Sky Woodward $11,800/$23 (-$11,200)
Chip Compton $11,800/$9 (+$2,800)
Expensive, and out of the money
Roberto Gomez $37k
John Morra $27k
Francisco Bustamante $13k
Josh Roberts $13k
Billy Thorpe, Devin Poteet, Jonathan Hennessee, $9k each
Conclusion? Making money from a calcutta is some tough action?
Evan Lunda $130k/20k (+$110k)
Fedor Gorst $65/$46 (+$19k)
Justin Hall $40/$17 (+23k)
Tony Chohan $28/$33 (-$5k)
Roland Garcia $17/$16 (+$1k)
Mark Magi $17/$4,500 (+$12,500)
Sky Woodward $11,800/$23 (-$11,200)
Chip Compton $11,800/$9 (+$2,800)
Expensive, and out of the money
Roberto Gomez $37k
John Morra $27k
Francisco Bustamante $13k
Josh Roberts $13k
Billy Thorpe, Devin Poteet, Jonathan Hennessee, $9k each
Conclusion? Making money from a calcutta is some tough action?
it can be easy at least if you can rank the players chances accurately which doesnt happen much in calcuttas as the buyers are not astute enough to be able to weigh chances against costs very well.
and the very top players have a huge advantage as they can manipulate their positions to make the most profit.
even with not colluding with others.
and the very top players have a huge advantage as they can manipulate their positions to make the most profit.
even with not colluding with others.
I may have the highest win rate on here when we were doing calcuttas
SlateMan
Registered
Hmmm. I wonder how good things like a Fargo Rating would be to predict odds on this field, and then to see if the bidding is in line with those odds? For instance, Billy Thorpe at $9k to place in the top 8 and still make a profit ($2,800), is that in line with a full model running the tournament just on Fargo ratings?
DieselPete
Well-known member
That's a fair question, for sure. But is it a reach to use Fargo to predict One Pocket, when One Pocket is not a game that can be used to create a Fargo rating?
@AtLarge
posted this in his thread on the stats from buffalo's
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65 matches were played in this Buffalo's event.
- The player with the lower FargoRate won 23 matches (35%).
- In 12 of those 23 matches the difference in FargoRate between the two players was 20 points or less.
- Hall, Chohan, and Compton accounted for 11 of the 23 matches won by the lower-FargoRated player.
lunda is only 770. so there's that..
That’s not true.
FR has been adjusting my FR, for better or worst, off a very few 1pocket events.
Zero bar or rotation events.
Lou Figueroa
Fargo rating will definitely be correlated with 1p success. But 1p is a different enough game from 10b/9b/8b which probably constitutes well over 90% of the games in FR, that FR can't be assumed to be as accurate as it is for those other games.
Guys like Chohan, Lunda, and Hall demonstrate this perfectly. Who would take them in an open rotation game tournament? They are dead money on the international pro level...except at 1p.
Guys like Chohan, Lunda, and Hall demonstrate this perfectly. Who would take them in an open rotation game tournament? They are dead money on the international pro level...except at 1p.
i honestly think including heyball would make as much sense. it would maybe even correlate better. but if enough of his market is one pocket, or barboxes, it makes sense from a commercial perspective
kanzzo
hobby player
nice stats
My conclusion would be: it isn't tough action in the sense thas it's zero sum game. (Players as a group don't lose money.)
Payout is just so top heavy, that only the winner is really profiting from calcutta and all the guys not winning just contribute to his winnings. (So for Lunda to win 110k almost a dozen guys need to lose 10k.)
DieselPete
Well-known member
In that case, I guess the Fargo website is lying when it specifically says that the rating is based on "the results of 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball games played on either 9-foot or 7-foot tables."
I didn't make it up.