Have you wanted to try a CF shaft but want a shaft that is closer to 13mm?

you are right about all but the added power.

and even if there was some it would be so infinitesimal to not be able to be perceived.
 
wood absorb more energy from the hit than CF, resulting in less power compared to CF.
I got to do a lot of side by side comparisons between wood and CF and you can actually feel the added power.

But to be honest, with pro equipment and conditions like new cloth, balanced table and new and clean balls like you'll find in most pro events, the added power is not something that important.
For a traveling pro, the benefits of CF are durability and consistency, nothing else but yet highly important.
As for amateurs and bar equipment, you don't really need the added power for a 7 ft. table but the durability in a crowded bar is most welcomed.
I agree except that CF doesn't ADD power, CF doesn't rob as much power from your stroke as most wood shafts, the other benefit is consistency from shaft to shaft, if you pop a tip off in a match, if your spare shaft is the same as your playing shaft with the same tip I have found no difference in how they play, I play Becue cues , best cue I've ever owned, I will try someone else's cue from time to time and so far I can't wait to get my cue back into my hands, everyone who has hit my cue has said they feel the difference in power.
 
you are right about all but the added power.

and even if there was some it would be so infinitesimal to not be able to be perceived.
CF shafts do not add power, what they do is transfer the power from YOUR stroke more efficiently, not all CF shafts are created equally, Becue cues have a CF butt as well and it is designed to transfer power more efficiently, you can stroke with less force and get more action, you can play with less English and get more spin.
 
still haven't said how carbon fibre can transfer more power.. and you don't have to hit as hard. meaning cue speed is less.

show where Becue says it does please.

so what amount like 20% more power?
I did say how, when striking the cue ball, your cue and therefore shaft will lose some of the force YOU applied during your stroke, compression of your tip then ferrule then shaft then butt all contribute to this lose of force as well as cloth ect. I was just focusing on the cue, that's why the engineers at Becue spent 3 years of R&D working on reducing that loss of force in their cues, notice I didn't say eliminate, it is impossible in physics, there are some very good wood shafts that are probably equivalent to a Becue shaft but how do you know which wood shaft is? Wood is not a consistent material, by having a consistent material to work with you get more consistent results, it's why some guitars made in the same factory sound better than the one that came off the line right behind it and why good players insist on playing them before buying, a cue is more of a tool, the magic happens in your ability to analyze layouts and control the cue ball , in my opinion having a tool that offers consistent results is a bonus 😀
 
CF shafts do not add power, what they do is transfer the power from YOUR stroke more efficiently, not all CF shafts are created equally, Becue cues have a CF butt as well and it is designed to transfer power more efficiently, you can stroke with less force and get more action, you can play with less English and get more spin.
“Amount of spin” in pool means spin-to-speed ratio, and is determined only by distance from center the CB is struck - speed/force of stroke changes the CB speed, but not its spin-to-speed ratio.

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“Amount of spin” in pool means spin-to-speed ratio, and is determined only by distance from center the CB is struck - speed/force of stroke changes the CB speed, but not its spin-to-speed ratio.

pj
chgo
In my real world experience I have found I need to play closer to the center of the cueball when applying sidespin, when applying max sidespin it is almost unusable except on VERY rare occasions, Becue cues are full CF, even the butt, I had a beautiful custom cue that played great, this cue just plays better......
 
In my real world experience I have found I need to play closer to the center of the cueball when applying sidespin, when applying max sidespin it is almost unusable
Then the same will be true for any cue. With the same tip offset you might get more or less power (RPMs) with different cues, but unchanged spin-to-speed ratio (angle change off a rail).

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chgo
 
Then the same will be true for any cue. With the same tip offset you might get more or less power (RPMs) with different cues, but unchanged spin-to-speed ratio (angle change off a rail).

pj
chgo
I find the difference small but this is a game of millimeters, there will be inconsistencies in where you intended to strike the cueball and where you actually struck it as well, so for my real world experience may contain some of these flaws, I'm working with drills to discover better cueball positioning and control.
 
CF shafts do not add power, what they do is transfer the power from YOUR stroke more efficiently, not all CF shafts are created equally, Becue cues have a CF butt as well and it is designed to transfer power more efficiently, you can stroke with less force and get more action, you can play with less English and get more spin.
Bob Meucci said the exact same thing about his power piston butt and black dot.😉
 
CF shafts do not add power, what they do is transfer the power from YOUR stroke more efficiently, not all CF shafts are created equally, Becue cues have a CF butt as well and it is designed to transfer power more efficiently, you can stroke with less force and get more action, you can play with less English and get more spin.
Beg to disagree purely on the principle of what your described is a distinction without a difference.
If a CF transfers power more efiiciently, presuming it does, the how and why becomes academic.

So the inference is that other shafts do not transfer power as efficiently; the power transfer is diminished.
Efficiency is producing a desired result with the least possible waste of energy, thus implying there’s more.

If using a CF shaft actually avoids losing energy, which I have no way of knowing, & other shafts would, isn’t
the outcome analogously equivalent to adding energy whereas other shafts would result in a loss of energy?

The problem I have with CF shafts is there’s no feel to CF shafts. I don’t wear a glove and consequently, the feel
of a shaft gliding through my bridge helps me gauge my stroke speed. Bottomline is I dislike the feel of CF shafts.

I’ve always played maple shafts and for wood shaft fans, step into the future of wood shafts. Kielwood shafts are
phenomenal. It’s still wood and merely dried differently. The key is finding one duplicating the weight of your shafts.
 
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Beg to disagree purely on the principle of what your described is a distinction without a difference.
If a CF transfers power more efiiciently, presuming it does, the how and why becomes academic.

So the inference is that other shafts do not transfer power as efficiently; the power transfer is diminished.
Efficiency is producing a desired result with the least possible waste of energy, thus implying there’s more.

If using a CF shaft actually avoids losing energy, which I have no way of knowing, & other shafts would, isn’t
the outcome analogously equivalent to adding energy whereas other shafts would result in a loss of energy?

The problem I have with CF shafts is there’s no feel to CF shafts. I don’t wear a glove and consequently, the feel
of a shaft gliding through my bridge helps me gauge my stroke speed. Bottomline is I dislike the feel of CF shafts.

I’ve always played maple shafts and for wood shaft fans, step into the future of wood shafts. Kielwood shafts are
phenomenal. It’s still wood and merely dried differently. The key is finding one duplicating the weight of your shafts.
I'll bet that you don't have a 32mph + break stroke speed like SVB, not a lot of people do, so what he can apply and you can apply is different, some people have better quick twitch muscles than others, this is a fact in all sports, you say there is no feel in CF shafts, my guess is you haven't played with every CF shaft made, my Becue has a lot of feedback, it is designed that way , their Prime II 12.0 Shaft has the best balance of transfer of energy and feedback of any shaft I have ever owned, I haven't played with a glove for 3 months with my Becue shaft and love how it feels, Kielwood shafts are great too, if that works best for you then you shouldn't change, I'm only relating my experience, your stroke imparts the power, some cues transfer that power better, some cues rob some of that power by absorbing some of that energy, in the end use the cue that works best for YOUR game, if you are still searching for "your" cue and you haven't tried Becue cues give them a shot, if you know someone who owns one see if they will let you try it and see if it works for you.......
 
Beg to disagree purely on the principle of what your described is a distinction without a difference.
If a CF transfers power more efiiciently, presuming it does, the how and why becomes academic.

So the inference is that other shafts do not transfer power as efficiently; the power transfer is diminished.
Efficiency is producing a desired result with the least possible waste of energy, thus implying there’s more.

If using a CF shaft actually avoids losing energy, which I have no way of knowing, & other shafts would, isn’t
the outcome analogously equivalent to adding energy whereas other shafts would result in a loss of energy?

The problem I have with CF shafts is there’s no feel to CF shafts. I don’t wear a glove and consequently, the feel
of a shaft gliding through my bridge helps me gauge my stroke speed. Bottomline is I dislike the feel of CF shafts.

I’ve always played maple shafts and for wood shaft fans, step into the future of wood shafts. Kielwood shafts are
phenomenal. It’s still wood and merely dried differently. The key is finding one duplicating the weight of your shafts.
I also said this in the same post....there are some very good wood shafts that are probably equivalent to a Becue shaft but how do you know which wood shaft is? Wood is not a consistent material, by having a consistent material to work with you get more consistent results, it's why some guitars made in the same factory sound better than the one that came off the line right behind it and why good players insist on playing them before buying, a cue is more of a tool, the magic happens in your ability to analyze layouts and control the cue ball , in my opinion having a tool that offers consistent results is a bonus.
 
Bob Meucci said the exact same thing about his power piston butt and black dot.😉
Here’s what Bob said about his black dot shafts...

The Meucci Black Dot Shaft
What makes the Meucci Black Dot Shaft different from other shafts on the market? The primary difference is in the construction. Utilizing similar technology to the Predator shaft, the Meucci Black Dot Shaft is made with 35 flat Northern Hard Rock Maple laminations to give pool players reduced deflection.

Unlike the Predator "pie" structure, the black dot shaft Meucci stacks the 35 layers as you can see in the image. The black dot on the shaft marks the area where there is less than 2% spine differential for those who can detect the slight nuances this may cause. The result is a shaft with less deflection. In fact, Meucci states that black dot shafts "out perform all other competitors' shafts by a minimum margin of 50% less deflection, with increased power as a bonus."

I never said increased power as a bonus, I said it transfers the power of your stroke more efficiently, these 2 statements are entirely different 🙂
 
Utilizing similar technology to the Predator shaft, the Meucci Black Dot Shaft is made with 35 flat Northern Hard Rock Maple laminations to give pool players reduced deflection.
Predator's deflection is reduced by its hollow tip, not by its laminations. I'm not familiar with the Black Dot, but its laminations can't reduce its deflection either - it's all about the end mass.

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chgo
 
I was merely commenting about playing with a CF shaft vs. a wood shaft, maple or Kielwood. There is a energy
transfer than occurs at even slower cue ball speed aside from smashing the rack as hard as you can on a break.

I also stated I don’t wear a glove and I liked the feel of a wood shaft in my bridge & I didn’t care for the feel of a CF
shaft. In case you forgot, feel also includes the tactile sensation of how the shaft touches your skin without any glove.

So your reply talks about shit I was never referring to and didn’t imply but perhaps you inferred something connected
with some point you previously made or merely to emphasize something perhaps otherwise inspired by what I posted.
 
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