Estimation of the point of perfect rolling, the bend of a follow shot, the distance a ball will travel per given, the typing of tables...
As you acquire your feel of a meeyun baws, they will self organize into your personal physics categories.
Seeing the contact point on the object ball.
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As you acquire your feel of a meeyun baws, they will self organize into your personal physics categories.
Exactly
Wrong.
OMG are you guys still kicking this poor horse??
Until u learOMG are you guys still kicking this poor horse??
This could be anywhere in a 3/8" or bigger spot to some. The intended line only emanates from a leetle eety beety teensy tynee point.
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What about how hard you hit the ball, top/bottom spin, side spin, friction of the cloth? If you don't reckon with all of that and more 'physics' you may make the shot, but have no shape. The person that understands all of that is going win against someone that doesn't.Its geometry they need not physics
Contact Point GEOMETRY ….
me and @straightline have a long on line history and he promotes/prophesizes/invented? contact point geometry concept
thats the CBG under his screen name
so in the comment above about physics above
i posted to tease him alittle
regardinig physics
i think you can play world class and have no clue to explain the physics involved in the collisions ,spins and rebounds on a table
but subconsciously you understand whats going to happen when you do this that happens
i also think knowing the physics can be helpful if your the analytical type and that knowledge helps you
@Patrick Johnson responded to @jasonlaus
with this post which i agree with
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That's a choice, not a fact.
pj
chgo
this is from an article on rolling ball friction by dr dave
i think you would agree for most people it may not be necessary to understand the equations
maybe...maybe not
here is the thing and i have to go offline for a while
for example
knowing that when the cue ball has spin on it the object ball gets thrown off the line of centers and you have to adjust for that
thats knowing the physics of the collision without knowing the detailed equations and in depth analysis
and that knowledge would help a beginner learning to pocket balls with spin
if the beginner only studied physics and never spent time on a table of course it wouldnt help him play
you could say if the player kept missing the same way when he used spin he would eventually figure it out maybe
and for sure you can say
a player could tell you aim alittle thicker when you use outside english because it work and have no clue why
as i said above
knowing it will help some and not knowing wont hurt others
I agree completely that you don't have to have an understanding of the science of physics or be able to explain exactly what is going on with the motions of balls on the table in pool to play at a top level. I am pretty sure that Strickland, Archer et al did not take physics in school. But the balls, cloth, cushions and forces involved don't care whether you understand the science of physics, you are using applied physics to manipulate the behavior of the balls whether you realize it or not, and that is what I meant. But IME the more you know about what is going on with the physics involved before you step up to the table for the first time, the quicker the learning goes. Otherwise you are going to need to hit more balls to figure it out.
It was no accident that my first physics instructor used billiard balls to demonstrate Newton's laws, tangent line, etc. I was only playing occasionally in a friends basement at that time and not very good at it. When it came to learning to play while in college, I very quickly improved because I applied what I had learned in physics class
You need to take up that argument with Dr. Dave...
Here's just one example...
Bank and Kick Physics Effects - Dr. Dave Pool Info
Answers to frequently-asked questions about bank and kick shot physics effects.
drdavepoolinfo.com
Ok, thanks to bbb's post, I think I see the source of the disagreement. It looks like we are using two different senses/definitions of the term physics: 1) a science that deals with matter and energy and their interactions, and 2) the physical processes and phenomena of a particular system. I have been using definition 2, and never said that you can't play pool without a formal physics science education. I initially said that because I had #1, it made understanding and applying #2 easier/quicker.WOW
In either case, you have to have a grasp of, and know how to manipulate the physical attributes of playing pool in order to play well.