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Push Foul Explanation
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I’ve gotten pretty good with deadening rebounds off the rails by striking the cue ball thick. It goes the same when you need to extend out a weird bank angle.
I was playing the same guy later, when he thought that pinning the 8 ball next to his would stop me. I called him over to look as I pointed out that the 8 ball was slightly in front of his ball. I needed to back cut the 8 ball below me, and use his ball to kill the angle.
Center cut for the win. I know what parallel shifting can do when you understand position play.
I’m not saying I’m great just getting better.
And yes I did the Efren on him - “I was lucky “
Early 70s, I got a glance at a practicing billiards player named Don Leake. He got running spin with minimal english - just off the center line. This was magic to me. Anyway, working with that zone, I learned you can zippity do dah the ball with minimum english if you have a stunable full hit. There are situations where your cue ball will creep off the stun and then take off when it reaches the cushion - thrills. Comes in handy in close quarters.I’ve gotten pretty good with deadening rebounds off the rails by striking the cue ball thick. It goes the same when you need to extend out a weird bank angle.
I was playing the same guy later, when he thought that pinning the 8 ball next to his would stop me. I called him over to look as I pointed out that the 8 ball was slightly in front of his ball. I needed to back cut the 8 ball below me, and use his ball to kill the angle.
Center cut for the win. I know what parallel shifting can do when you understand position play.
I’m not saying I’m great just getting better.
And yes I did the Efren on him - “I was lucky “
Actually, everybody gets the same amount of spin when they hit the same distance off center, even with a terrible stroke.
pj
chgo
No, no. You hit much harder. The full hit on the OB absorbs the ball travel leaving a ton of sidespin.
Oh. I didn’t realize the laws of physics had changed - “absorbs the ball travel” is new. Thanks for the heads up.
pj
chgo
If you know then why ask what parallel english is, Slick???? Do you have some kind of issue or do you just enjoy irritating people??
To point out that “parallel” is just one of the many cue angles needed to compensate for squirt/swerve, and likely the least often used - a name of its own is just misleading. Why no names for “45-degree English” or “20-degree English”? They’re all just normal angles on the “squirt scale” for a shaft.
It’s also possible, but even more rare, to need “negative” squirt compensation (when swerve outdoes it). Again, nothing special except its rarity. What special name should we give that? “Minus X degrees English”?
pj
chgo
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Its a full hit. You can smack that and it's functionally a stop shot - but for the spin. What I was saying is since you smack it, you can hit close to center and the ball will act like a top. You don't always have to go to the limits to get the spin you need.
Closer to center = more speed, less spin. Pretty fundamental on my planet.
pj
chgo
You hit is harder - which the full ball hit absorbs. Try the same CB track with a thin hit. You need way less speed and way further out english.
If by “absorbs” you mean “goes faster with less spin”…
I’m not sure what you mean by “full ball hit” - we’re still talking about where to hit the cue ball, right?
pj
chgo
ggg (jeez) F-
I would like to see a video of this.
Sounds like science fiction to me.
Guessing...but from what straightline described in post #23, I think he's saying that the cue ball is being struck hard, with X-amount of sidespin, and full-ish on the *target* ball, so that the cue ball essentially stuns forward w/ spin--traveling forward enough to touch a cushion. On contact with the cushion, the sidespin sends the ball off at a more extreme angle than the one it came from (exit angle > entry angle).
It would be similar to Venom keeping spin on a cue ball after contacting a target ball, only shot so that there is enough follow to roll into a cushion--I'm thinking either a tiny bit of follow, a very slight cut, or a combination.
I also want to say that similar actions happen in 3C, where a ball will lazily roll into a cushion, but has enough sidespin to catch traction on a cushion and send it much farther down table than expected (from the originally observed speed). And, I typed, "want to say" because I'm old enough to not remember if I've actually seen that happen, or mis-interpreted something else I saw!
That's some Kamala-esque world salad right there. Just WTF are you trying to say??Guessing...but from what straightline described in post #23, I think he's saying that the cue ball is being struck hard, with X-amount of sidespin, and full-ish on the *target* ball, so that the cue ball essentially stuns forward w/ spin--traveling forward enough to touch a cushion. On contact with the cushion, the sidespin sends the ball off at a more extreme angle than the one it came from (exit angle > entry angle).
It would be similar to Venom keeping spin on a cue ball after contacting a target ball, only shot so that there is enough follow to roll into a cushion--I'm thinking either a tiny bit of follow, a very slight cut, or a combination.
I also want to say that similar actions happen in 3C, where a ball will lazily roll into a cushion, but has enough sidespin to catch traction on a cushion and send it much farther down table than expected (from the originally observed speed). And, I typed, "want to say" because I'm old enough to not remember if I've actually seen that happen, or mis-interpreted something else I saw!
It would be like a force-follow shot, with a lot of side spin, except without the usual look of a force-follow. The cue ball hits the target ball with force, basically stuns but drifts forward, and due to the side spin applied, the cue ball 'grips' the cushion and takes off at a wider angle than the approach.
If you provide your reading level, I will try to dumb it down for you.... (j/k, that is meant to be a jab, but not truly a malicious one)
If you provide your reading level, I will try to dumb it down for you.... (j/k, that is meant to be a jab, but not truly a malicious one)