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Mensabum

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Does anyone have the deets on the Black Blade carbon fiber offerings??
The CF cues with weight adjustable shafts, (Heavy) and lightweight butts??
Another gimmick or are they onto something here??
I can see how a weight forward cue would help on the snap. What about the stroke??
 
equipment can only improve your game a tiny bit. most changes will change you for the worst.

besides none here are going to be top pros because of the talent factor and dedication.
concentrate on your game not what you can buy.
 
maha said:
equipment can only improve your game a tiny bit. most changes will change you for the worst.

besides none here are going to be top pros because of the talent factor and dedication.
concentrate on your game not what you can buy.
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Good advice.
I was thinking more along the lines of these helping newer players.
 
maha said:
newer players should never be thinking about equipment changes just improving. every change upsets what they have learned.
only reason to change is if you are good enough to know what is wrong or what is going to be better for you. and that is only from a good player that can judge it.
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I disagree. If that were the case, noone would ever improve.
 
so they cant improve without buying the latest equipment. news to me.

anything over the basic equipment is all you need to reach pro speed. if you have the talent and the right eye hand coordination and drive.

just to get decent it is all about playing time, and some thinking.

all the past greatest only had a cue stick. no videos, no doc dave, no worthwhile instructions, just pool room equipment.
played with shafts, tips, high deflection everything. and still would play at the top speed as those now.

only the very few top players now might be better than the ones of the past.

think efren, lassiter, segal etc.
 
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maha said:
i guess i mis understood what you were saying then. sorry. lets end it.
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You're a gentleman and a scholar Maha. We've been buds for a long time. It's fine to call bullshit on bullshit, but I honestly believe these heavy fore weighted cues will help newer players develop stroke mechanics faster by giving them the added benefit of more control over the forward stroke.
And especially on the break.
Just my goofy opinion.
I'm sure PJ or Bob or Dr
DAVE, one of those guys, could tell you if a fore weighted cue would be of any benefit to newer players, vs same o.
Just seems to make sense to me.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I can't think of a physical reason, but it might feel better to some. How does it make sense to you?

pj
chgo
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More control by players who struggle with that very thing right out of the box.
Especially on the break shot.
Much easier to control a cue heavily fore-weighted than in the rear, or has physics altered since high school?? 😁
Let er rip. 😉
 
Mensabum said:
More control by players who struggle with that very thing right out of the box.
Especially on the break shot.
Much easier to control a cue heavily fore-weighted than in the rear, or has physics altered since high school?? 😁
Let er rip. 😉
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Oops. Physics has altered. My bad. 😂
Just not on this. 😁
 
I have a Pechauer Ice break shaft and I have to say I feel it's just too heavy up front at about 6 oz.. I am used to my Schon's at 19.5 oz and 19-19 1/4 balance.
I have really gotten to like my Jacoby's also where I have them weighted about 19.2 oz and balance at apx 18.5. I feel if you stray too far from that 18-19.5 oz and balance of 18- 19 1/4 while it may work for that one person the odds are against it.
If you are too forward balanced your cue will feel light in the rear, then again I struggle with a cue balance around 18 which happens with some carbon and Kielwood shafts.
I really like my Jacoby with a Rhino Must shaft and a 8 gr weight at the joint, total cue and shaft weight about 19.2 or.3 oz and a balance around 18 1/2. I also really like my other Jacoby with it's Kielwood shaft at about 19.2 oz and a balance of about 18 1/2. I did not like the Kielwood shaft at first the way it came at 3.5 oz, so I added .3 oz to it just in front of where the joint pin goes in and it made all the difference for me. I feel as long as their is enough forward weight the slight extra rear balance vs my Schon's actually steadies your stroke somewhat. Those of you with great strokes probably don't feel it matters.
 
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Its the Indian and not the arrow but what if the shaft is ten ounces instead of most shafts' four ounces and the butt is ten ounces versus most butts' 16 ounces? Finally a cue that is different from other cues --- a Black Blade cue.

Black Blade cues started as Liquid Weight cues which had another different idea. A better cue uses ball bearings in a viscous liquid to make it act like a dead blow hammer. Not for sale now.

Some have thought the present version, Black Blade cues, are okay. I suspect it is something that would work only for a new player. If you can't go to a trade show to try one of their cues, Black Blade will let you return a cue for the cost of shipping, handling, sales tax, and possible restocking fee. Maybe a $100 cost to try it out and return it?

SOME HAVE LIKED IT:
Pierre Shakes said:
I bought one at a BCA trade show in the '90s sometime. It could make a ball, but no English. Never did find a shot where it was superior to a real cue.
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EL'nino said:
I seem to remember Efren talking about his $10 cue he loved because the shaft was so dense & heavy.
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zencues.com said:
have been adding lead weight to the joint end of my playing shafts for more than 20 years.

It works.
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Cicerone88 said:
Forward weighted cues are good for touch and spinning the ball at low speed. This helps with finesse shots, allowing for better cue ball control in tight spaces. Good for games like one pocket or straight pool.
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Cicerone88 said:
Cicerone88 said:
At soft speeds, having a forward weighted cue with a heavier shaft and soft tip feels like it sticks to the ball a little longer (even if its a fraction of a second) and helps push it through the cueball. If I have a really touchy shot and im tinkering my way through a rack, having a cue with more weight at the front gives better feedback and control than say a LD shaft with low front end mass and a harder tip where it feels like the ball bounces off the tip. Like all cues your mileage may vary, but for those reasons that can be a potential advantage for some.

Pagulayan has a forward weighted cue he uses for one pocket for the same reasons.
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Forward weighted cues are good for touch and spinning the ball at low speed. This helps with finesse shots, allowing for better cue ball control in tight spaces. Good for games like one pocket or straight pool.
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hang-the-9 said:
I used the first version of the liquid weight cue, it had a very interesting but not what I would call a bad hit. Actually enjoyed playing with it but decided not to buy one even though it was not expensive at all.
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it may work as a training device. but what ever a person chooses really needs to be justified by someone with expertise.

winging it using trick equipment isnt usually helpful. but if it works for a person than it works.

nothing improves your stroke like lining up with something straight and stroking enough times to make it perfect.
 
muskyed said:
I have a Pechauer Ice break shaft and I have to say I feel it's just too heavy up front. I am used to my Schon's at 19.5 oz and 19-19 1/4 balance.
I have really gotten to like my Jacoby's also where I have them weighted about 19.2 oz and balance at apx 18.5. I feel if you stray too fat from that 18-19.5 oz and balance of 18- 19 1/4 while it may work for that one person the odds are against it.
If you are too forward balanced your cue will feel light in the rear, then again I struggle with a cue balance around 18 which happens with some carbon and Kielwood shafts.
I really like my Jacoby with a Rhino Must shaft and a 8 gr weight at the joint, total cue and shaft weight about 19.2 or.3 oz and a balance around 18 1/2. I also really like my other Jacoby with it's Kielwood shaft at about 19.2 oz and a balance of about 18 1/2. I did not like the Kielwood shaft at first the way it came at 3.5 oz, so I added .3 oz to it just in front of where the joint pin goes in and it made all the difference for me. I feel as long as their is enough forward weight the slight extra rear balance vs my Schon's actually steadies your stroke somewhat. Those of you with great strokes probably don't feel it matters.
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Thanks for that!! 👍🏻
 
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