Just when I thot I'd seen it all...

[dquarasr]

Let’s take the physics to an extreme.

Let’s say your cue weighs 11 pounds. Ten pounds are up at the joint, WELL forward of where you grip the cue. Imagine how that would feel.

Since your hand is well behind the weight, don’t you think you would have significant trouble delivering the cue in a straight line? The *slightest* deviation from dead straight and the weight and inertia would cause the cue to continue well off line, right?

Ok, let’s pare down the weight to a 19 oz cue. Wouldn’t the same off-line inertia also take a cue further off line if the shooter is pushing more weight forward compared to a cue with the balance point farther back?

Now, admittedly, a balance point 1-2” difference probably won’t make a hill of beans difference but is it possible a significant forward weight might?

Flame suit on.

 

[straightline]

Let’s take the physics to an extreme.

Let’s say your cue weighs 11 pounds. Ten pounds are up at the joint, WELL forward of where you grip the cue. Imagine how that would feel.

Since your hand is well behind the weight, don’t you think you would have significant trouble delivering the cue in a straight line? The *slightest* deviation from dead straight and the weight and inertia would cause the cue to continue well off line, right?

Ok, let’s pare down the weight to a 19 oz cue. Wouldn’t the same off-line inertia also take a cue further off line if the shooter is pushing more weight forward compared to a cue with the balance point farther back?

Now, admittedly, a balance point 1-2” difference probably won’t make a hill of beans difference but is it possible a significant forward weight might?

Flame suit on.

You just get the cue moving. It goes from there. I think the real linearity issues start at 19oz and under.
Balance is only an issue if you have to fight the cue.

Or if you copy Biado.

 

[Mensabum]

Let’s take the physics to an extreme.

Let’s say your cue weighs 11 pounds. Ten pounds are up at the joint, WELL forward of where you grip the cue. Imagine how that would feel.

Since your hand is well behind the weight, don’t you think you would have significant trouble delivering the cue in a straight line? The *slightest* deviation from dead straight and the weight and inertia would cause the cue to continue well off line, right?

Ok, let’s pare down the weight to a 19 oz cue. Wouldn’t the same off-line inertia also take a cue further off line if the shooter is pushing more weight forward compared to a cue with the balance point farther back?

Now, admittedly, a balance point 1-2” difference probably won’t make a hill of beans difference but is it possible a significant forward weight might?

Flame suit on.

Flame suit on!!
Saludos Mi Amigo !!

 

[Mensabum]

Let’s take the physics to an extreme.

Let’s say your cue weighs 11 pounds. Ten pounds are up at the joint, WELL forward of where you grip the cue. Imagine how that would feel.

Since your hand is well behind the weight, don’t you think you would have significant trouble delivering the cue in a straight line? The *slightest* deviation from dead straight and the weight and inertia would cause the cue to continue well off line, right?

Ok, let’s pare down the weight to a 19 oz cue. Wouldn’t the same off-line inertia also take a cue further off line if the shooter is pushing more weight forward compared to a cue with the balance point farther back?

Now, admittedly, a balance point 1-2” difference probably won’t make a hill of beans difference but is it possible a significant forward weight might?

Flame suit on.

Push me pull you.

I guess it all comes down to which you can control better yourself - pulling weight or pushing it.

 

[Mensabum]

The counter weight is not commonly used, but it is a good gadget for those rare situations. I don’t think it would work on normal shots - it’s kinda in the way.

I couldn't use that.
Unique item for sure.
I've been blessed with much height and huge hands which does give me a slight advantage on certain shots, without question.

 

[fastone371]

I have asked here many times and nobody has really answered, why is the balance point an issue with cues? Don't most of us hold the cue well behind the balance point anyhow? I know I generally hold my cue on the butt cap even with a 2 1/2" mid cue extension so my cue always feels forward weighted to me, I think.

 

[GideonF]

I have asked here many times and nobody has really answered, why is the balance point an issue with cues? Don't most of us hold the cue well behind the balance point anyhow? I know I generally hold my cue on the butt cap even with a 2 1/2" mid cue extension so my cue always feels forward weighted to me, I think.

You don’t feel the difference in balance if you use a house cue?

 

[fastone371]

You don’t feel the difference in balance if you use a house cue?

No, not really, they all feel forward weighted to me but I hold the cue at the very rear. Would a house cue be more forward or rear weighted? I would guess rear weighted because it doesn't have a joint?

 

[Ģüśţāṿ]

Blade blade were easily the worst feeling cue I've ever tested. I'm sure it would be good for someone just starting out, but I could never use one.

 

[GideonF]

No, not really, they all feel forward weighted to me but I hold the cue at the very rear. Would a house cue be more forward or rear weighted? I would guess rear weighted because it doesn't have a joint?

I think the absence of a joint is part of it, but I believe the larger part of it is simply that most house cues I know of have a thick butt and an almost constant taper, whereas most other cues, the butt is thinner and the taper more gradual.

Next time you are at the pool hall, I suggest you try for yourself and see how much farther back the balance point is on a house cue compared to your playing cue

 

[GideonF]

I couldn't use that.
Unique item for sure.
I've been blessed with much height and huge hands which does give me a slight advantage on certain shots, without question.

The height and huge hands I can see being an advantage when tree topped over a ball. Canadian pro player Erik Hjorleifson (who is about 6’ 5” and has giant hands) has a much easier time with those shots than equally skilled shorter players.

 

[Mensabum]

The height and huge hands I can see being an advantage when tree topped over a ball. Canadian pro player Erik Hjorleifson (who is about 6’ 5” and has giant hands) has a much easier time with those shots than equally skilled shorter players.

Exactly. My need for a bridge is minimal as well, thanks to said height and extension.

 

[yankee817299]

Blade blade were easily the worst feeling cue I've ever tested. I'm sure it would be good for someone just starting out, but I could never use one.

This style cue definitely feels different than what everyone is use to using. The forward weight helps in transitioning from the backswing to the forward motion. With the forward weight the forward stroke happens with less push or muscle from the shooters arm making a smooth transition into the forward stroke. Some like, most don't, it is different.

 

[Nature Boy]

I have a Black Blade in the For Sale forum if anyone is interested. I think they are on to something.

 

[Mensabum]

This style cue definitely feels different than what everyone is use to using. The forward weight helps in transitioning from the backswing to the forward motion. With the forward weight the forward stroke happens with less push or muscle from the shooters arm making a smooth transition into the forward stroke. Some like, most don't, it is different.

Thats what I was looking for!!!
It got lost in the sun.

 

[Paul Bell]

I have a Black Blade in the For Sale forum if anyone is interested. I think they are on to something.

Here is the link to your cue. I noticed it is an 8.5 ounce butt. Did you remove weights from the butt to make it 8.5 ounces? The Black Blade website shows the butts 10.5 ounces or more (see photo posted).

 

[SSP]

Does anyone have the deets on the Black Blade carbon fiber offerings??
The CF cues with weight adjustable shafts, (Heavy) and lightweight butts??
Another gimmick or are they onto something here??
I can see how a weight forward cue would help on the snap. What about the stroke??

I think it depends on YOUR speed of stroke, if you have a 25mph break speed the weight is probably not going to help you and may even slow your stroke down, if you have a 15mph break speed the weight could help assuming your stroke is good but just not fast, mine is not fast and adding weight did help with my break.