Looking for Dufferin Catalog Model Info - Windsor?

[PickPocket]

Hello AZB, Just acquired a Dufferin (90's?) (Non-Leaf Logo) But made from sold wood w/Inlays on Butt. Brown Joint, no rings on shaft, with 5/16x14 FF Joint.

I'd like to see if anyone has a catalog picture of it. Looks almost similar to the "Windsor" model, but without the small circular inlays near the points.

 

[garczar]

Hello AZB, Just acquired a Dufferin (90's?) (Non-Leaf Logo) But made from sold wood w/Inlays on Butt. Brown Joint, no rings on shaft, with 5/16x14 FF Joint.

I'd like to see if anyone has a catalog picture of it. Looks almost similar to the "Windsor" model, but without the small circular inlays near the points.

I'd contact Cue and Case. That logo started after they bought the brand and moved production to China.

 

[garczar]

Duff went bankrupt in '04, C-n-C bought the brand in '05 and moved prod. to the Universal/TaiCan plant in China. There is a possibility that its a VERY late Canada cue because afik that joint, known as the TargetJoint, has not been used on Chinese Duff's. Possible they just used up existing parts after the move too 'cause like i said that logo is on all the Chinese Duff's. Need to ask Cue and Case for sure. Also there is a Duff FB page , Nothing but Dufferins, those guys know a ton.

 

[PickPocket]

Duff went bankrupt in '04, C-n-C bought the brand in '05 and moved prod. to the Universal/TaiCan plant in China. There is a possibility that its a VERY late Canada cue because afik that joint, known as the TargetJoint, has not been used on Chinese Duff's. Possible they just used up existing parts after the move too 'cause like i said that logo is on all the Chinese Duff's. Need to ask Cue and Case for sure. Also there is a Duff FB page , Nothing but Dufferins, those guys know a ton.

Yeah, Its a solid cue. Heavy @ 19.5oz with no weight bolt. Perhaps short Splice sneaky.

 

[garczar]

Yeah, Its a solid cue. Heavy @ 19.5oz with no weight bolt. Perhaps Full Splice sneaky.

If it is a Chinese cue i doubt its fs.

 

[skor]

That logo is definitely Chinese.
The linen based joint collar might suggest that it was modified, too fancy for a duff…

 

[Chopdoc]

I believe Dufferin introduced that logo before 2004, although it is the current logo. That pin is brass, and that insert is aluminum. I believe there is evidence for this design series being made between 1998 and 2002, with that bumper as well. Dufferin definitely did make brown phenolic joint collars as well. Although these are not the old "Silver Leaf" cues, if that cue is Canadian, that might actually have ebony points, and it might be full splice. In fact I am aware of a cue from this model series that is definitely full splice with jet black points. Whether it is genuine ebony might be debated.

I am looking for direct evidence but I believe Dufferin officially registered the continuous, underlined script wordmark in the mid-to-late 1990s as part of a major visual rebrand. The goal was to phase out the traditional logos replace them with a sleek look that matched the styling capabilities of their updated Toronto machinery. When the original Canadian operation collapsed in 2004, this specific script mark was part of the primary intellectual property bundle acquired by Cue & Case in 2005. Because they used it globally across all subsequent overseas production lines, it created a false impression online that the script itself originated in China.

To verify this I need to access the the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO) image logs, which I only just found. LINK It looks like they only have recent filings, and they are having technical problems, so I am not sure what help this will be. I'll also look for any public filings of the Cue & Case acquisition, which may have some details.

Working on it...

Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[Chopdoc]

Some evidence. From an eBay sale. A made in Canada sticker on an ebony cue with that logo on it.

That logo was used on cues made in Canada before the original Dufferin company went under.

 

[luv1pocket]

I mentioned on other forum I have that Windsor and am going to refinish and maybe add ivorine collars and update the pin. It is only different in that it has small circle inlays at the bottom of the points. It had that logo at the butt end but if wore off.
I didn't get a shaft and still deciding on how I want to convert. I think you can really do some work and convert to a cue you'll be happy with. Let me know if you convert it or want to sell it. If so is the roll straight?

 

[sciarco]

I have a Dufferin green leaf cue I'm thinking of converting it but can't make up my mind tip is around 11mm.

 

[Chopdoc]

I found this today while surfing the web. I would love to have late era Dufferin catalog pages, or any good references.

 

[Chopdoc]

This looks nice.

 

[PDX]

If I recall this is the Imperial and it was made in Canada. Note the 1/2 threaded pin like a Pechauer.


EDIT: I found the old post and Mase stated it was the Titan model, not the imperial.

 

[Chopdoc]

If I recall this is the Imperial and it was made in Canada. Note the 1/2 threaded pin like a Pechauer.

That's the Dufferin Glider joint.

Although it has an A joint, you can see that forearm is full splice.

 

[PDX]

That's the Dufferin Glider joint.

Although it has an A joint, you can see that forearm is full splice.

Would they really go through the trouble to align the grain lines around all three rings?

 

[Chopdoc]

Would they really go through the trouble to align the grain lines around all three rings?

It is full splice, as I said. Why the question?

 

[PDX]

It is full splice, as I said. Why the question?

Wouldn’t the presence of an A joint indicate that it is not a true full splice?

Are you sure it has an A joint?

 

[Chopdoc]

Wouldn’t the presence of an A joint indicate that it is not a true full splice?

Are you sure it has an A joint?

Ah!

It "appears" to be an A joint. Whether it is or not is certainly debatable.

My point was that these cues are full splice, which both yours and mine demonstrate.

Is that an A joint or inlaid rings? With the grain so consistent it indicates inlaid rings, which might be as much work as aligning the grain anyway.

So, my point is they are full splice.

And even more importantly where this thread is concerned, that logo was used well before the original company went under, it was definitely used on Canadian made Dufferin cues.

Frankly, these are "good" cues. Of course I say that at a time when appreciation of wood is declining and carbon fiber and synthetics are taking over.

 

[PDX]

Of course I say that at a time when appreciation of wood is declining and carbon fiber and synthetics are taking over.

Not to derail the thread too much, but I’m curious as to why I see a sea of carbon fiber shafts t leagues and tournaments.

Is it the easy way out instead of learning to work with deflection?

Is good shaft wood hard to find and expensive?

is it so they don’t have to worry about warping?

Is there a consistency to them?

I’ll never use them, I’m just curious.

 

[maha]

if you intend to play with it than dont mess with it if it hits good. if it isnt your hit, then experiment if you will.

the dufferins with pin in shaft i dont like. so one that was good i had a brass joint put on it and wrapped, and 14 5/16 threads and used one of my great wood shafts and it hits a "ton"