Putting Education on the Table

my opinion will not be popular
to have a pool course as an elective is just OK for me
to have it as a varsity sport would be a terrible idea
the time spent practicing would be better spent studying
whats a degree in pool going to get you in the USA
might as well major in philosophy or art history
i understand you are not making pool a degree option
but my point is
the students are better off long term to put their efforts into more productive things
jmho
icbw
for the record i love pool but it was not my career choice
In 10 years 80% of degrees will be rendered mostly useless by advances in AI.

IT, Quant Analytics, and most legal jobs will be gone as fields of employment. As will most entry level positions that required no specific skill or manual specialized training.

Hell majoring in Billiards may not be a bad idea....
 
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I understand the gambling issues. However go on any social media platform and you will see live streaming of billiards tournaments around the USA
I would say a large tournament has permits and meet local regulations to put on events. Small rooms that do tournaments with entry fees often not even paying back 100% are by most definitions gambling run by the establishment. Just because it goes on does not mean it is legal.
I can't imagine what it would be like in small towns. I once had my pool room picketed by a church group. It made the nightly news and actually boosted my business.
 
In Florida years ago it was against the law for a minor to be in a pool room. The exceptions were, if they were with a parent, had a notarized card on file in the pool room signed by the parent, on active duty in the military, or and this was strange, were married.

I was one of the group that got this changed in Florida. Part of the argument we presented was bowling alleys. There was actually an exception written into the law for bowling alleys. I guess if you were Brunswick it's ok.

The law had nothing to do with alcohol by the way, it was pool rooms. Oddly enough a pool table was defined as a gaming device by Florida law and every public table was licenced. May still be I don't know.

I bet if you checked around the country even today you will still find a lot of laws still on the books pertaining to pool and pool rooms that are crazy and discriminating. In some towns it is almost impossible to even open a pool room.

You know in Florida technically pool tournaments are illegal if the players put up entry fees. I was at a tournament that was actually shut down by the cops a Pete Ohman's room

Florida laws in 2026 governing billiard rooms strictly prohibit proprietors from knowingly allowing minors (under 18) to play or bet on games of chance, a third-degree felony, and forbid gambling for money or items of value on billiard tables. Illegal gambling remains heavily regulated, with new 2026 measures aimed at enhancing enforcement,HB 1017, SB 1580.
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I always thought the problem was the availability of alcohol, shows you what I know. Its also fascinating that they are calling pool a game of chance, its as much a game of chance as bowling is. Or I can word that a little differently, the dude that called pool a game of chance has no chance of kicking my ass on a pool table. :cool::cool:
 
Having been doing a high school billiards program for 15 years, one big point that is not mentioned is that playing billiards is not electronic! All parents and educators eyes light up when they hear that. Big selling points are that pool is not electronic and social. In today’s phone world, most kids are isolated and stuck on social media.
 
My intention is to put this in a package. I am going to send 1 to the DOE. I am going to also take the package to the athletic director of high schools and community centers. I am in communication with BEF. I have the intention to present a case for the directors to get something started. The footprint for 2 tables is very small. The fact that it's a sport in which you don't have to be the strongest, fastest, smartest to be a winner. The juniors would qualify to play in National Competition and even World competition. I am hoping with this forum. I will be able to present a great package

The non-profit if established would purchase land and buildings. Depending on amount of schools in an area the size of building. It would be open only to juniors. I am just a welder working on a vision.
I want to thank everyone sharing their information.

A lot of unanswered questions and the answers should have been up front when someone clicks on the letter or in the OP and still unanswered. Noble cause, do what you enjoy, but be real --- schools across the state aren't adding pool as a class and it's not going to become a varsity sport on a groundswell initiative --- intramurals, club, a session in P.E. and only if there is a suitable place for kids to go and other some spots in larger metro areas, most places won't have pool tables handy other than bars and if it was a thing, it would already be done.

You say "DOE" - what DOE? Maryland? If so, good luck with your efforts in Maryland, but expect a hard pass if you simply "send" it and if it's just in Maryland, nobody on a school board in Maryland will care if someone from Texas gives a thumbs up to a form letter. Federal? Don't bother. You still haven't indicated where the "package" is going but sounds like it must be mostly local in nature so again, good luck with the effort. Are you the spokesperson? As the representative and going to a state education department and stranger to school boards across the state, perhaps even your own, and so forth, are you confident in your ability to be a proper spokesperson and all that goes into knowledge/background checks/real experience with pool and actual education? You need credibility, nothing has been put forth to suggest you have any.

It's a fun activity, so are lots of things we enjoy doing, but the educational benefits in the letter are the "kitchen sink" and overstated. I have educators in the family - math, physics, science, on and on - bringing up pool, or mini golf, or kicking a football, getting a puck into a net, hitting a golf ball is a good way to engage kids in a practical application of what they are learning, but that's about as far as it goes - a snapshot.

It's clear this isn't a petition - it's "please 'like' my form letter". Folks on a billiards forum are generally going to like it. School boards honestly won't care if folks on a billiards forum like it.

A nonprofit buying land and buildings? LOL, come on man, for profits aren't opening pool halls just for kids to learn pool, there's a reason. Now you're into hundreds of thousands of dollars - millions beyond one school district - you aren't being at all realistic.

Pool on tv or on the internet has little to do with whether it could or should be in a school system. We had a table in our student lounge in HS, there isn't one any more - there's a reason. We had a dozen nice Gold Crowns and a bowling alley at the university I attended in the student union and you could take both for P.E. --- all long gone for almost 30 years now. There's a reason.

IMO, spend your time in the pool community if you care about getting kids involved - you're apparently an introductory instructor on the side, get something going with a local pool hall, donate your time or arrange a clinic, make a difference, get better at your craft in the meantime and show people you can make a difference and organize a club or assist a school if it want the assistance, before shotgunning a pipe dream. Anyone who supports it will want to know and should want to know what your track record has been with significant involvement with youth pool -- if it's out there, should be some good press to be found about it all, relatable success stories, otherwise I guarantee it is and will be, "Who is this guy?"

Just a few thoughts, but I predict the above are a small fraction of the notions you'll get from professional educators, school boards and even parents with competing priorities for what they think their kids should be getting from a school's budget.
 
Having been doing a high school billiards program for 15 years, one big point that is not mentioned is that playing billiards is not electronic! All parents and educators eyes light up when they hear that. Big selling points are that pool is not electronic and social. In today’s phone world, most kids are isolated and stuck on social media.
Congrats and thanks for making a difference!
 
The big obstacle to pool tables in schools is the student to table ratio and the amount of space tables take up. If a high number of kids can’t be engaged concurrently it will not happen.
 
Two area I would check into
Small town Might have Senior Center, some with one or two tables. See if they would allow you to use for teaching.
See if the town/city have a Recreation Center ... some center might have a Pool room setup.. usually fours tables

But there still the issue of Transportation and Liability !!!
Lesson Plans approved by School Board and Education Dept.
Background Check on you/instructors By School.
What age group are you looking to start with?

Good Luck
 
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Having been doing a high school billiards program for 15 years, one big point that is not mentioned is that playing billiards is not electronic! All parents and educators eyes light up when they hear that. Big selling points are that pool is not electronic and social. In today’s phone world, most kids are isolated and stuck on social media.
Where is this being done? Is there kind of a format or playbook we can see to see how it was done so successfully.
 
A lot of unanswered questions and the answers should have been up front when someone clicks on the letter or in the OP and still unanswered. Noble cause, do what you enjoy, but be real --- schools across the state aren't adding pool as a class and it's not going to become a varsity sport on a groundswell initiative --- intramurals, club, a session in P.E. and only if there is a suitable place for kids to go and other some spots in larger metro areas, most places won't have pool tables handy other than bars and if it was a thing, it would already be done.

You say "DOE" - what DOE? Maryland? If so, good luck with your efforts in Maryland, but expect a hard pass if you simply "send" it and if it's just in Maryland, nobody on a school board in Maryland will care if someone from Texas gives a thumbs up to a form letter. Federal? Don't bother. You still haven't indicated where the "package" is going but sounds like it must be mostly local in nature so again, good luck with the effort. Are you the spokesperson? As the representative and going to a state education department and stranger to school boards across the state, perhaps even your own, and so forth, are you confident in your ability to be a proper spokesperson and all that goes into knowledge/background checks/real experience with pool and actual education? You need credibility, nothing has been put forth to suggest you have any.

It's a fun activity, so are lots of things we enjoy doing, but the educational benefits in the letter are the "kitchen sink" and overstated. I have educators in the family - math, physics, science, on and on - bringing up pool, or mini golf, or kicking a football, getting a puck into a net, hitting a golf ball is a good way to engage kids in a practical application of what they are learning, but that's about as far as it goes - a snapshot.

It's clear this isn't a petition - it's "please 'like' my form letter". Folks on a billiards forum are generally going to like it. School boards honestly won't care if folks on a billiards forum like it.

A nonprofit buying land and buildings? LOL, come on man, for profits aren't opening pool halls just for kids to learn pool, there's a reason. Now you're into hundreds of thousands of dollars - millions beyond one school district - you aren't being at all realistic.

Pool on tv or on the internet has little to do with whether it could or should be in a school system. We had a table in our student lounge in HS, there isn't one any more - there's a reason. We had a dozen nice Gold Crowns and a bowling alley at the university I attended in the student union and you could take both for P.E. --- all long gone for almost 30 years now. There's a reason.

IMO, spend your time in the pool community if you care about getting kids involved - you're apparently an introductory instructor on the side, get something going with a local pool hall, donate your time or arrange a clinic, make a difference, get better at your craft in the meantime and show people you can make a difference and organize a club or assist a school if it want the assistance, before shotgunning a pipe dream. Anyone who supports it will want to know and should want to know what your track record has been with significant involvement with youth pool -- if it's out there, should be some good press to be found about it all, relatable success stories, otherwise I guarantee it is and will be, "Who is this guy?"

Just a few thoughts, but I predict the above are a small fraction of the notions you'll get from professional educators, school boards and even parents with competing priorities for what they think their kids should be getting from a school's budget.

My straight pool high run of 76. Beat the ghost 9 to 0 recently. Won dozens of weekly tournaments. Yeah I play
Are you still working with juniors? Did you give up working on expanding pool for juniors at schools?
 
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