$1.5M first place prize for Chinese tournament next week

God no. That's the most convoluted scoring I've seen! I hope you were joking. 9 ball is so simple and pure, so easy to understand, so easy to show a beginner. "Make the balls in order, whoever makes the 9 wins". Here, we are all pool fanatics, and hardly any of us can follow the Chinese 9 ball format.

I wonder if the scoring system was designed to encourage runouts rather than making a few balls and then ducking (not a crazy idea given how tough the table is).

Actually, my recollection is that their 9b game developed as a gambling game. They play by the point (thus more points for runouts). I think in the gambling version safeties are not allowed - if you don’t make a ball and your opponent can’t see the ball they can make you shoot. Maybe one of our Asian posters can confirm?
 
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I wonder if the scoring system was designed to encourage runouts rather than making a few balls and then ducking (not a crazy idea given how tough the table is).

Actually, my recollection is that their 9b game developed as a gambling game. They play by the point (thus more points for runouts). I think in the gambling version safeties are not allowed - if you don’t make a ball and your opponent can’t see the ball they can make you shoot. Maybe one of our Asian posters can confirm?

i played a version of this as a practice gambling game 10 years ago. we came up with it to incentivize BNR's. not the match time/rack or table run, but extra for BNR's. it's a fairly low hanging fruit, so seems likely that's how it came about.

i've watched a little of it now, i like it better than heyball but less than regular 9-ball. but of course the added money pressure makes this particular event more interesting. they may have chopped at this point though, i would have, i think most people would. rational choice..
 
It ended with Chu conceding with just a few minutes left. 108-84.

Wu had 3 B&Rs (30 pts.), 3 Table Runs (21 pts.), 13 Standard Wins (52 pts.), and 5 points on fouls = 108 pts.

Chu was 2, 3, 9, 7 for the 4 categories = 84 pts.
 
It ended with Chu conceding with just a few minutes left. 108-84.

Wu had 3 B&Rs (30 pts.), 3 Table Runs (21 pts.), 13 Standard Wins (52 pts.), and 5 points on fouls = 108 pts.

Chu was 2, 3, 9, 7 for the 4 categories = 84 pts.

One interesting dynamic of the scoring system is that in the second last rack played, Chu broke, made the 8 but had no shot at the 1. Because he was down quite a bit (101-84) with not a ton of time, he didn’t play safe but instead had to kick and hope to fluke it so he could get a 10pt BNR. Instead he left the 1b and Wu ran out for 7 more points, which essentially ended the match.
 
Wu about to make up for alot of lost years , 220k already secured, playing in the finals to secure another million

how many players ever in any cue sport can say they played a match for seven figures?

his departure from Taiwan was indeed peculiar , I suspect he was highly influenced by unscrupulous adults who did not have his best interests in mind
 
I watched the first hour last night live, fairly intently. Then fell asleep, and scrolled to the ending this morning. My observations and opinions:

The game play and shots are in-between snooker and American 9 ball, but much closer to American 9 ball. Shots near the rails are attempted in this game, whereas in snooker they are almost universally ignored. The patterns and position routes are very close to American 9 ball, and very far from snooker. I attribute this to the pockets on this table must be significantly easier than snooker tables. They both have pocket rounds, but I'm assuming the Chinese 8 ball table is cut differently and therefore plays a lot easier, especially with balls near the rails. I'd say a top American style 9 ball player would have an advantage in this game over a top snooker player, if both were coming to this game for the first time.

Its WAY more watchable than chinese 8 ball, or American 8 ball, or any 8 ball.

Nothing is called, and even the 9 on the break counts as a win. This led to some aggressive kicks and a fluke on the 9 that I saw. I'm personally a huge fan of that.

Wu shit in the 9 in the first hour, and the audience clapped hard. I would have expected a reaction, but more of a "wow/laugh" not "clap" reaction. I'm not complaining, just surprised.

It's winner break. 9 is on the spot (I think, hard to tell). Break box.

3 point rule (to the headstring). If the 3 points is not made, the opponent can request a re-rack and it's now his break. This happened back to back in the first hour. Wu broke, no 3 points. Chu broke, no 3 points. Wu broke again, finally got it. They were both breaking HARD.

They were using a cut break going for the 1 in the side.

The table has zero diamonds on it. Yet they both kicked great. Feel for the win;)

There is no push shot after the break. Chu broke and the CB was frozen to a ball. He went for a tough kick, missed, and gave Wu BIH. Wu then made a 1-9 combo to win the game.

There was one rack in the first hour Chu had a stop shot on the 7 to shoot the 8 in the far corner, and then stop on the 8 to be perfect on the 9. The 8 was about 2 balls from the rail. Instead, he drew back on the 7 to bank the 8 in the side. That was an example of the corner rounds significantly altering the pattern. That did surprise me, because they were not shying away from balls close to the rails. Maybe because this would have been a 7' long shot.

The match is brutally long! Over 5 hours on YouTube! I can't imagine american style pool being that long per match. I'd probably quit pool. There was a shot clock each shot, the ref had a stopwatch in his hand he'd restart every shot. The match was conceded with 4 min left of the 240 min to start with. IDK if the clock runs during racking and/or any player breaks. The clock does continue to run when the balls are cleaned. (you can hear the beep of the ref's stopwatch when he presses the buttons).

The balls were cleaned more times in the hour that I watched than I've seen in the whole year of pool combined. IDK what is up with that? They are all thinking it's going to skid I guess.

There is a hot ring girl that comes out between racks. She holds a 10 score card for a break and run, and a 7 for a runout after opponent's break, and blows a kiss to the camera. She might have come out for rack number some racks as well, I'm not certain.

The balls are the high end Dynaspheres set, with the traditional American pool colors.

The venue and audience seemed like a nice setup. All surrounding one table. It looked like a much smaller crowd than for the Mosconi cup, but not certain.

Overall I liked it. I probably wouldn't watch much of it, just with Wu I wanted to watch it to see him play again. Maybe I'd watch if Siming is playing too, or if a top American style pool player is on a deep round.
 
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They both have pocket rounds, but I'm assuming the Chinese 8 ball table is cut differently and therefore plays a lot easier, especially with balls near the rails.

I actually am curious if the pockets on the Duya tables differ from the Joy tables we've seen in Heyball. @Flakeandrun had mentioned in another post that they are subtly different.

For the Joy tables, the pockets were definitely not easier than snooker for down the rail shots. They are the same size as snooker tables (~3.5" across) but with the bigger American balls, which makes potting harder and in my viewing experience, players play down the rail shots in Heyball about as often as they do in snooker.
 
the pockets are just crazy tough

im fortunate enough to live in an area that has always had pool and snooker, and now a number of chinese tables have popped up

the cloth is a dream, the high end tourney grade strachan cloth destroys simonis type cloths
 
I actually am curious if the pockets on the Duya tables differ from the Joy tables we've seen in Heyball. @Flakeandrun had mentioned in another post that they are subtly different.

For the Joy tables, the pockets were definitely not easier than snooker for down the rail shots. They are the same size as snooker tables (~3.5" across) but with the bigger American balls, which makes potting harder and in my viewing experience, players play down the rail shots in Heyball about as often as they do in snooker.

There is one way in which the Heyball tables are easier than snooker for those shots. The players have learned that with the heavy pool balls, if you hit it at pace down the rail you can compress the pocket round and force in the ball. Of course you have to hit it perfect, but IMO you can’t do that in snooker.
 
Wu about to make up for alot of lost years , 220k already secured, playing in the finals to secure another million

how many players ever in any cue sport can say they played a match for seven figures?

good on him. zheng is probably favorite in the final, given his recent success in heyball, but i'm rooting for wu

i think the prize money difference is mental, and the incentive for chopping is huge with that payjump
 
... The match is brutally long! Over 5 hours on YouTube! ...
Nice observations, iusedtoberich.

As for the length of the match, yes, brutal. Kind of like snooker events. In this event, it looks like the match-length limits started at 90 minutes, then 120, 180, 210, 240, with the accompanying frame limit based on 6 minutes each, running up from 15 to 40. I don't think the clock runs during either racking or timeouts (10-minute scheduled timeouts). From the lag to the end of the 33rd rack was about 295 minutes (5 minutes short of 5 hours), which is nearly 9 minutes per rack counting racking and timeouts. Using the clock time of 240 minutes (or, say 235 to the end of rack 33), it was 7.1 minutes per rack.

From what I can tell, the third-place playoff and the final will both remain at the 240 min. / 40 frames level.

Chu vs. Zhou at 11:30 am tomorrow (Saturday) there, which is 11:30 pm today (Friday) EDT.​
Wu vs. Zheng at 6 pm tomorrow there, or 6 am tomorrow EDT.​
 
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