What, in your opinion, is the minimum Fargo you should have before entering a WNT Open?

JABSolstice said:
I think we are saying the same thing. Playing for the experience knowing you aren't going to win it.
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I just hate the term Donating. Someone said something to me like that once, when I said that I would love to play in the DCC 9 ball. And, that is not even considered a Pro tournament. As if it would be completely pointless to even play. Maybe it was stupid of me to let that term, and those words get under my skin. In that example, lots of 600 level players probably play in the DCC 9 ball, and do not feel like they are Donating.

I understand that a WNT event is completely different though. I would assume that mostly only Pro's play in those.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
I just hate the term Donating. Someone said something to me like that once, when I said that I would love to play in the DCC 9 ball. And, that is not even considered a Pro tournament. As if it would be completely pointless to even play. Maybe it was stupid of me to let that term, and those words get under my skin. In that example, lots of 600 level players probably play in the DCC 9 ball, and do not feel like they are Donating.

I understand that a WNT event is completely different though. I would assume that mostly only Pro's play in those.
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The DCC is totally different due to the draw mechanism. There might be 60 or more dead money entries, and you guys could literally keep drawing each other and get into the later rounds without having to catch an actual player.
 
westcoast said:
I've played against pros when Hard Times Bellflower was still around. The novelty and excitement wears off quickly once you realize that you have absolutely no chance of winning the match- at my ability level, it is very difficult to even win a game, especially if it is winner break- the pros play such great safeties that you never really even get a shot.
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Is Hard Times Bellflower a tournament? A legendary back-in-the-day pro?
 
if for fun go for it. and realize you are not going to get any back.

if you want to parley your money put all the entry fee on the roulette wheel(not the best choice in vegs) with a 5.26 disadvantage and let it ride. you will be hundreds of times more likely to hit a reasonable payday doing that.
 
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wlycdgr said:
I don't have any settled opinion on the question. If I have any qualms, they mostly have to do with the number of spots being limited (compared to for example a WSOP event).
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limited venue footprint, limited time, schedules to keep yada yada yads.

Can't have 2000 players in a pool tournament. Not that theres any shot of ever drawing that many for this sort of event.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
I just hate the term Donating. Someone said something to me like that once, when I said that I would love to play in the DCC 9 ball. And, that is not even considered a Pro tournament. As if it would be completely pointless to even play. Maybe it was stupid of me to let that term, and those words get under my skin. In that example, lots of 600 level players probably play in the DCC 9 ball, and do not feel like they are Donating.

I understand that a WNT event is completely different though. I would assume that mostly only Pro's play in those.
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Perhaps you dislike the term because in your heart of hearts, you know that it’s true. Sure, there might be a day that the stars align correctly and you’re at peak form and a more seasoned and experienced opponent is off his form and you get an upset victory over them, but mostly that’s a freak occurrence.

Many players desire to compete against elite competition and that’s admirable. It just seems to be the Achilles heel of a lot of pool players that they are not realistic about what their true skill level is as compared to their opponents. If you don’t like the term donating, perhaps the term dead money is more preferable?
 
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Coos Cues said:
I entered one "open" tournament in my life it was the barbox in Reno back a dozen years or so ago. I was a 600 fargo. Lost to Oscar 10 ball 7-3. Lost to Amar Kang 9 ball 9-5. Lost in the 2nd chance 9 ball to a Canadian pro named Brian Butler 5-4 and had a chance to win. I won a few matches against lesser players. Really got my door blown off on the B side by the "truck driver" who was hauling Skyler Woodward and Rob Saez around. Some cat out of Kentucky called Robert Frost. Found out later he was a 700 something. It was fun and I didn't feel embarrassed. Oscar even complimented my case!
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Sounds like a road less travelled. 😉
 
I think they should have they should have a "Monday Qualifier" like the Pga for dead money.
Top 1-5? Can play.

Pool is obviously very different.

750 minimum if you actually plan on doing something.

As far as disrespectful..As long as you dress to the code, play with integrity and play hard.. that's good enough.
 
wlycdgr said:
Is Hard Times Bellflower a tournament? A legendary back-in-the-day pro?
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Not sure if you’re serious, but Hard Times was a pool hall in Bellflower, CA. They would have 9 ball tournaments every Sunday- sometimes pros like Alex Pagulayan, Rodney Morris, Chris Robinson and Santos Sambajon would show up. Hard Times closed down around 6 years ago
 
InsertCleverNameHere said:
limited venue footprint, limited time, schedules to keep yada yada yads.

Can't have 2000 players in a pool tournament. Not that theres any shot of ever drawing that many for this sort of event.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that if I have any qualms with low Fargo players registering, it's on account of spots being limited (therefore potentially taking spots away from higher rated players). I agree it's not practical to run pool tournaments without a field size cap.
 
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westcoast said:
Not sure if you’re serious, but Hard Times was a pool hall in Bellflower, CA. They would have 9 ball tournaments every Sunday- sometimes pros like Alex Pagulayan, Rodney Morris, Chris Robinson and Santos Sambajon would show up. Hard Times closed down around 6 years ago
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Thanks. I was serious. Even though I'm well on my way to late middle age, I only started playing a couple years ago, so I don't know a lot of even relatively recent lore.
 
Oh for the days of just turning up at a tourney, paying your money and working out within a couple of shots if you are playing someone really good.
Spoiler: not everyone who enters a tournament does it with the intention of making money.
A lot do it for the fun/experience. It's a day out playing a game that (hopefully) they love. Compared to a what a lot of things that are classed as entertainment cost nowadays - it's a cheap day out.
 
wlycdgr said:
It's been on my mind recently with Galeforce (~600) popping up again at the Vice City Classic.

Gemini AI says ~550 or so.

What do you think? Is Gemini right? Or is that number higher/lower for you? The number where, if someone entered a WNT Open with that Fargo, you wouldn't think they were being a disrespectful jackass. And, does it depend on the specific tournament / anything else?
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WNT and WPA events:
819+ if the goal is to WIN
799+ if the goal is to be in top 16
749+ if the goal is to cash / earn points
Anything less than that, he is here for donation and his 3 (local) sponsor buddies gave him the greenlight to light their money on fire.

This is ain't Texas open, where a 725 can win.
 
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DeeDeeCues said:
Why would anyone quote AI in something like this? What has AI ever completed in? If you are going to take advice from AI, why are you asking us? If you aren't going to take AI advice, why did you even read it?

Seriously, AI is proof that humanity has outlasted itself.
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Chill Dee lol, what AI has done to you :LOL:
 
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