Gaming the system is far easier to say than actually pull off. I agree here. This reminds of an incident in Tulsa where one of the top players and a TD were both banned for trying this. He consistently had bad performances and the TD would just look the other way. Another story, funny as shit actually, was another Tulsa player who took months to knock his FR down for a big event in Florida. This nit went down there and went two-n-out. You can't make this shit up.
Fargo Rate Manipulation Pro Tips
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And for everyone else?
The post I was responding to said "Fargo is one of the easiest systems to manipulate." How is constantly balancing money in vs out, and losing games convincingly against poor players, and then playing well against good players, all for 10 points, but only for the few people on the cusp of a cutoff, "easy to manipulate?"
I agree that people try. I know a few. But I have yet to see convincing evidence that 600 and under tournaments are somehow filled with 700-speed players. That seems a very expensive and exhausting way to feel like you've hoodwinked someone.
they are not filled with 700 players. but 599 money ones are populated with 650 or 630 players. that were able to keep their rating lower than it should be, by winning only by a game or two or even losing in smaller inconsequential tournaments to them.
all systems are able to be compromised. it is a fact of things. we have to live with that.
and a t.d. can make rules to help with it such as when a stranger enters a money tournament he has to add say 50 points to his rating even if it knocks him out of playing.
all systems are able to be compromised. it is a fact of things. we have to live with that.
and a t.d. can make rules to help with it such as when a stranger enters a money tournament he has to add say 50 points to his rating even if it knocks him out of playing.
Everyone can play up 100 or down 100.
Playing leagues with the boys/girls and having a few beers is not the same as practicing hard for a big tournament, they are two very different things..yet ratings systems weight them the same.
Most all amateur tournaments are short races on the bar table. Not some contest set up for the best player to win.
Practice up, get good sleep, and hope it's your day/ weekend to play well. Nobody is getting rich in fkg pool.
Playing leagues with the boys/girls and having a few beers is not the same as practicing hard for a big tournament, they are two very different things..yet ratings systems weight them the same.
Most all amateur tournaments are short races on the bar table. Not some contest set up for the best player to win.
Practice up, get good sleep, and hope it's your day/ weekend to play well. Nobody is getting rich in fkg pool.
To move a FargoRate 100point is virtually impossible. Pretty fkn tough to move it 10-20.
I mean on any given day. Call it 50 points...point is the same
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Iron city and m.o.b. events are probably the highest paying handicapped tournaments.
How many repeat winners do you see?
How many repeat winners do you see?
Same thing happened in AZ.......a couple times.....League operators....rigged the numbers so that they would qualify for an event.....They got banned of course......Minor though compared to the LO that claimed all the league 
got stolen......right before the EOY payouts.... 
I don't play in leagues currently and I don't want to throw shade on the actual leagues....so I will say......they do have a straight up transparent LO running things now though.
what you're referring to is stalling. that works fine in places where no one knows you. you can't do it in your home area, people know how you play. if you play enough pool that is FR'd your true speed shows . Probably takes 800-1000games in Fargo to get true rating. People for some reason think dropping your FR is easy, its not and in the long run probably not worth the effort. In the BigTyme events they have their own system that they can and do change all the time. They start initially with your FR and then they make their own decision as to changes from there on. BTW, pretty sure BigTyme is using BlueDiamond in Ms. and PoppaG's in Alab. now for their stuff. Nxt event is this wekend at BlueDiamond in Fulton.
I thought the point he was trying to make is that anyone can play 50 points above or below their rating on any given day. We’ve all had days we play a level or two higher than normal and others where we suck worse than normal.
Exactly
I got it. Playing 50pts up/down is a big jump, playing 100up/down is out there. Anyone can have good/bad days but a good rating system will account for that in the long run. BTW, a LOT of these so called 'short set amateur tournaments' on bartables pay a lot of money. To me being able to fire at 5dimes plus is fairly serious. Without the ratings there'd be tiny fields and no money. Love-or-hate Fargo the fact is there are more good paying tournaments now than maybe ever before.
100 is probably too far out there. I agree with you on that.
The money in these new tournaments is incredible. I love to see it.
If you don't have to travel they are really nice!
There's not many repeating champions. The Calcutta is a large part of the prize.
$500-1k entry, 5-600 for side pots, Calcutta amounts that may be split 2+ ways, hotel, travel, and food...is a lot of upfront cash. Taxes on a large win... Great payouts but it's not some huge windfall.
The screenshot I posted from one of them shows that the guys who placed high did indeed shoot 50 points or more above their average, which I think is just normal variation in most cases.
And on the economics of it, at least in my area when they do the high entry events they often run some “qualifiers” (really satellites) so you might pay $70 or $80 to enter one and get a chance to win the big one.
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No but there are likely some 605-610s
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I think it's pretty hard to dump 50 points off your speed.