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That wasn't what I meant, I was thinking that, for example, the 4 ball could make both the 9 and 11 on a single shot (but not the 13). But the way you suggest could be worth trying too. It could make some spectacular wins.

Good observation. I like it. I think the key to making intentional fouls work is getting the right punishment - strong enough that they're rare, but weak enough that it's sometimes the right shot. There's a lot of flexibility in the punishment in KtK - I like the points system, and you could...

What if you call 1 ball, but if you make it, any others you pot at the same time (that are lower than your cue ball) also stay down? I know it encourages slop, but I think the game already strongly punishes you for losing control of the 'cue' ball, so I think players would learn to be very...

The rules look great. You've put some work into the design! Some comments: "Legal and illegal ball potting" (p.3) - This section doesn't clarify what happens if you call one ball, but sink multiple balls. Do the uncalled balls come up? Or all the pocketed balls? What if you call multiple balls...

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Yes, to decide whether it's enjoyable would depend on play-testing, and maybe peoples' level. There could be scope for trying to hook behind the 8 that might be interesting. Happy to do another test if you like. Let me know what rules.

I'll try the thin cut but miss: https://pad.chalkysticks.com/67652

I'll bank you back up table: https://pad.chalkysticks.com/2bc2a

Yes, maybe both players could hit the 8 between the two balls until someone made a mistake, but it might not be enjoyable pool. We could play this one out with the requirement to move the opponent's ball. (Or a general rule that you had to move another ball and not the wall would also cover...

The link didn't work so I recreated it. I'm staying hidden! https://pad.chalkysticks.com/93e9b

You might end up with a long endgame, if both players are down to the king but have two or three lives. An extra assassin or something could be a good handicap, but might be too strong. Two king-balls? Lots of options, I guess.

I'll shoot the 4, try to hide behind the 8, but leave you a shot: https://pad.chalkysticks.com/3fe33 It would be simplest to have an assassin and a secret assassin. I think that keeps the roles clear. But 'backstabber' gave me an idea: what if you could take over one ball from the other...

Sorry for the long delay in responding. It's been a busy week. Well done on the playtesting. It sounds like you got a lot from it. The abrupt punishment for a mistake is interesting. I think in our games we'd seen that in terms of losing individual balls, but not in terms of losing the whole...

I'll try to bank your king: https://pad.chalkysticks.com/4c773

My 11 pockets your 1. From the position in the picture, I think I can use follow, medium speed, and about a 1/2-ball contact to play a 'banana' shot: https://pad.chalkysticks.com/6c486

Exciting! Let me know how it goes. Will it be original rules? My 11 banks your 1 for the corner, but misses :( https://pad.chalkysticks.com/1981c

I suggest adding the new link ( https://forums.azbilliards.com/account/upgrades ) to the first post in this thread, as it's not very easy to find!

Sorry for the late reply. I'll try to combo the 5 into the 2, but miss: https://pad.chalkysticks.com/78a6b

I do like situations in 8-ball where neither player has a decent shot on the 8 and try to play safe. It would be interesting to see how it plays out in KtK.

No problem, just go with what's convenient. Interesting. I don't know whether it's needed or not. In theory, if the non-hitting player leaves their king safe, perhaps the other player can hit a stop shot and leave their own king in roughly the same area, while maybe banking the other king (even...