Can you talk about Wheat State's carbon types Rolled and Wound? Which one was used in Dr Dave's test? Does it matter?
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DOES THE WOUND VS ROLLED CARBON TYPE CHANGE DEFLECTION?
-No, I have designed both carbon types to have the exact same taper, wall thickness, weight, etc.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT WAIT TIME FOR A GEN 5 PRO SHAFT?
-Currently we are looking at October. This list grows by the day, so don't wait hoping the list will get shorter, as it likely won't. Thank you.
DR. DAVE VIDEO?
-The shaft that was tested actually has more deflection than my normal shafts due to the customer requesting a slightly longer ferrule.
WHAT IS THE TAPER?
-14.5"-15" pro taper on 12.5 & 12.8 shafts. 10" pro taper on 11.8 shafts.
GEN 5 PRO VS GEN 5 CORE?
-Gen 5 pro were design to be the highest quality, most premium, lowest deflection shafts out there with the most advanced internals on the market, while maintaining a great balance point, weight, flex level, sound, and feel. There are many customization options including 2 carbon types, and 2 sound options, etc.
-Gen 5 core shafts were designed to meet all the core needs of any player without the added customization options. 1 carbon type, 1 sound type.
*Gen 5 pro have less deflection
More from their FAQ page
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROLLED AND WOUND CARBON?
-Rolled and wound carbon are made using a different process. There's no "better". Most companies use rolled carbon. Mine are custom made for me to my exact specifications, taper, and flex level, which is a crucial aspect as most carbon shafts are too stiff. -ROLLED is dark gray in color like most and transfers a hair more energy than wound. -WOUND is dark, shiny black and can have some visual grain type patterns in the carbon. Wound transfers a hair less energy than rolled, but it is a hair more smooth in your hand.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURAL AND DAMPENED SOUND?
-I have developed a way to change only the sound of the shaft, while keeping everything else identical. NATURAL sound is more similar to a really nice wood shaft with a really nice sounding and pleasant tone with great feedback. No ting or hollow sounds. -DAMPENED is essentially the same sound as the natural, but muted quite a bit. Less feedback and overall a more quiet, thud type sound.
DOES THE WOUND VS ROLLED CARBON TYPE CHANGE DEFLECTION?
-No, I have designed both carbon types to have the exact same taper, wall thickness, weight, etc.
DOES THE NATURAL OR DAMPENED SOUND CHANGE DEFLECTION?
-No, I have developed a process of building shafts that are identical in every single way aside from the sound. Deflection is identical. Only difference is how the shafts sound.
WHAT IS THE TAPER?
-14.5"-15" pro taper on 12.5 & 12.8 shafts.
10" pro taper on 11.8 shafts.
WHAT SIZES DO I OFFER?
-11.8mm, 12.5mm, 12.8mm. (potentially adding 12.2mm)
IS THE DEFLECTION THE SAME FOR 29", 30", & 31?
-Yes, as the biggest factor in deflection is endmass the front 6"-9" (the reason for the 3" variance is due to shaft stiffness and how it impacts deflection. Stiffer the shaft, the farther back the end mass matters). All 3 lengths of shafts I offer are built 100% identical in the front, so deflection will be the same. The only difference will be in balance point and at what point the spin actually grabs and starts to swerve in the direction of the applied spin.
WHAT DO I PERSONALLY USE?
-I go back and forth between rolled and wound but most of the time I use a gen 5 pro, 29", rolled, natural sound, 12.8mm shaft.
HOW DO THEY COMPARE TO REVO OR OTHER BIG NAME SHAFTS?
-My shafts have a true pro taper. I have also tuned the sound of the shafts to have a very pleasing tone with great feedback. Hard to compare apples to oranges. I don't use a revo or any other carbon shafts so the best thing you can do is ask in the Wheat State custom cue owners and collectors page, as many of my customers have switched from the shafts you are wanting comparisons from.
CAN I ADD MORE DEFLECTION?
-Absolutely, I can increase deflection to match any amount you'd like.
IS THERE AN EXTRA FEE FOR LONGER SHAFTS?
-29" & 30" are the same price. $50 increase for 31".
GEN 5 PRO VS GEN 5 CORE?
-Gen 5 pro were design to be the highest quality, most premium, lowest deflection shafts out there with the most advanced internals on the market, while maintaining a great balance point, weight, flex level, sound, and feel. There are many customization options including 2 carbon types, and 2 sound options, etc.
-Gen 5 core shafts were designed to meet all the core needs of any player without the added customization options. 1 carbon type, 1 sound type.
*Gen 5 pro have less deflection.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN STOCK?
-Typically, no. I build every shaft to order & there is always a wait list. It's very rare that I have anything in stock. If placing an order please keep in mind there will be a wait. I will give you my best estimate at the time of order. Join the Wheat State Custom Cue Owner's & Collectors page as occasionally there will be products available there.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT WAIT TIME FOR A GEN 5 PRO SHAFT?
-Currently we are looking at October. This list grows by the day, so don't wait hoping the list will get shorter, as it likely won't. Thank you.
HOW DO I ORDER?
-Message me or fill out the order form I have posted in the comments of this post and in the pinned post at the top of my page and send it to me. These are built to order so there will always be a wait list. I try to keep it as short as possible, but the wait times are subject to change based on how many orders are coming in.
HOW MUCH DO THEY COST?
-Gen 5 Pro carbon fiber play shafts are $550 shipped.
-Gen 5 Core carbon fiber play shafts are $300 shipped.
-Gen 2 Quantum jump cues are $700 shipped. (2-3 year wait list)
-Gen 2 Supernova break cues are $700 shipped. (1-2 year wait list)
-I can also build break shafts or jump shafts upon request.
HOW DO I PAY?
-I currently ask for 10% non refundable deposit up front when placing an order. I will reach out to you right before I start your shaft to confirm all specs and details. I will ask to collect remaining balance at that time so I can ship as soon as I finish the shaft. I take personal checks, money order, Facebook pay, PayPal, Venmo, cashapp, & Zelle.
SHIPPING.
-Price includes shipping to conus. Additional charges of $10-$30 may apply if shipping outside of conus.
CAN I MAKE PAYMENTS?
-Yes I am fine with payment plan, but I cannot ship until product has been fully paid off.
WARRANTY.
-Limited lifetime warranty. This will be assessed on a case by case basis. Any modifications to the product will void warranty. Tip replacement does not void warranty as long as done by a reputable cue maker or cue repair person.
DR. DAVE VIDEO?
-The shaft that was tested actually has more deflection than my normal shafts due to the customer requesting a slightly longer ferrule.
SPONSORSHIPS?
-I am not looking to sponsor anyone else at this time, thank you.
WHAT'S MY BACKGROUND ?
-I have been doing this exclusively for over 6 years. I have helped create the products for one of the largest companies out there. I'm also an avid pool player and travel out of state most weekends for big tournaments or action. Before all this I was an engineer.
AM I LOOKING FOR DEALERS?
-Not at this time, thank you.
WHAT ARE THE GEN 5 SHAFTS?
-Focus on the flex level and quality of the carbon itself as most carbon shafts are too stiff and/or are not the best quality and consistency. The flex level is an often overlooked aspect of a carbon shaft, yet absolutely crucial. Most carbon shafts out there are too stiff in my opinion. I designed these to have what I believe is the optimum flex level which makes them more forgiving while providing incredible energy transfer.
-State of the art shaft internals that are designed and tuned specifically to dial in the sound, weight, and balance point to a perfect balance of the 3. While obtaining the lowest possible deflection currently in a shaft.
-Focus on the harmonics of the hit which is a huge factor when it comes to "feel". Many carbon shafts are either too loud or too quiet, which that in itself isn't an issue. The issue lies within the tone/pitch of the hit. The "louder" shafts are often high pitched and unpleasant sounding whereas the "quiet" shafts lose feel. My goal was to make them have sound as not to lose feel, but for that sound to be a very pleasing tone, much like a nice wood shaft, while keeping all the benefits of carbon.
