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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    Cheaters cheat. Some cheaters also run leagues and tournaments. Period. Grasp that.
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    Yeah, multi-rack 9-Ball matches it's harder to do because you're gonna lose some racks along the way, but single-rack 8-Ball matches that's less likely.
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    I think you need to reevaluate this statement. In APA you have to game the scoresheet and get your opponent to do so as well, either through well-disguised defense that isn't marked or by plain old negotiation. I've seen both. Any APA LO caught falsifying scoresheets loses his franchise...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    That part is even easier now with the Scorekeeper app. It's easier for the LO AND easier for the players. One of those tools that was developed over the years. But the part that has to happen in between, that part is the work the LO puts in "under the water", so to speak. It doesn't...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    Oh, people cheat in APA but those same people don't cheat in Fargo? Excuse me, I forgot about the magic word. I didn't realize they suddenly all became honest in Fargo. Perhaps the way to cheat in Fargo is to keep your own rating down while keeping others up. What, that's a natural...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    If it's such easy money, maybe you should give it a try, if you can get through the vetting process. Try it first, then come back here and tell us how easy it is. Many of us are like ducks, we look calm and peaceful to everyone else but underneath we're pumping like crazy just to stay afloat...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    Did you see him play, or look him up yourself? Or are you just taking the word of someone on the internet because they said the magic word? I will take your bet, I bet some people at APA looked into him before he ever got to Vegas, looked into him after every match he played there, then looked...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    Growing pool? Sure. How else would you do it? Business model? The business model for my and all other successful APA franchises is provide a product that appeals to a large audience, including beginners and novice players (no audience is larger). Part of that appeal is definitely the...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    There's incentive to cheat in any system, even no system. Local oversight is not necessarily bad, but it does require someone who is both knowledgeable and conscientious. And globally linked data is not necessarily a good thing if you're talking about cheating (which you are).
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    Not for the 9's. They have the edge against a random player of any skill level, because they can improve and not go up. There is a point, near the bottom of the SL9 range, where the 50-50 rule applies, but none of the improving 9's ever go up so it gets easier to fade the spot. Just looking...
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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    It doesn't, and it can't. A SL of 2 represents a certain ability, and if a player improves beyond that ability they become a SL3. A SL of 9 also represents a certain ability, and if a player improves they stay a SL9, meaning they should be expected to win more often than before they improved...
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    Why break for the 8 in APA

    We must have different definitions of a nit. I've run APA leagues for a long time, and by far (and I mean FAR) the nittiest ones are the ones that also play other leagues. The rest just want to have a good time, and nitpicking rules (that's where "nit" comes from, right?) just isn't a good...
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    APA Question spin off.

    I didn't say he said they weren't having fun. I just said it was like saying they didn't have to. That leaves open the choice not to have fun, and I said *I* wouldn't put it that way. While a person is certainly free to choose a recreational activity that they don't enjoy, I don't know why...
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    APA Question spin off.

    I don't know if I would put it that way. That's kind of like saying "you don't have to have fun if you don't want to." I think those who strive to reach their max potential ARE having fun. There's nothing in the world wrong with that either. It's just a different kind of fun - to each their own.
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    APA rule question

    #32 under General Rules in the OTM (page 40 in the current print version).
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    APA rule question

    No foul in any of those cases, restore the table (if it was disturbed) and continue, even in the concession case, which is discouraged in the APA. Possible sportsmanship issue. Tell me again what's different? One might disagree with it, but I think it's pretty consistent.
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    APA rule question

    You just scratched, and you think it's reasonable to think your opponent is conceding? There is nothing in APA rules about conceding a game. If anything, it is discouraged. Under what rule set? Are you making up an imaginary set of rules? In APA, reset the table if you can, and your...
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    APA rule question

    Just as important as the words is one's ability to read correctly. Why do you conclude that I don't know the difference when I said the difference is irrelevant here? Perhaps just trolling...
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    APA rule question

    Had that happened player 2 would have been correct in gathering balls. But we know that's not what you really meant. :p These are two different situations, one is a foul involving the cue ball and the other isn't. They don't have to have the same resolution. Moving a ball by mistake or...
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    Another chicken shit “foul”

    In my opinion these two instances should not be covered by the same rule, or at the least the rule should allow the differentiation between possible impact on the shot in play or not. Again, judgement call. Call it a "Sportsmanship-related Act", and it can be positive, negative, or neutral...
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