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I meant the rest of the story on your side. I don't know what happens locally in any APA league but my own. Here's why I asked about qualification in my last reply. If a qualified team adds a player after week 4, that team loses qualification. If a league operator or their staff allowed that...

Sounds like there's more to this story than is being told. Until very recently, nobody could change a team's roster except local league management. So if you were on the team, it had to be with local league management's approval. So there's no such thing as "too late". The only "too late" I...

Did I say blindly trust the system? Be suspicious if you want, question it. There's nothing wrong with letting the people in charge know you're watching. If they're like me and have nothing to hide, they'll welcome it. But don't let it consume you to the point that you forget about the...

Whatever. We've never met, so if you want to twist my words just to call me a crook that tells me all I need to know about you. You can have your quarter and here, since you're so worried about losing it, take one of mine, too. I'll manage without it or you.

It does me no good to tell you anything, your truth is what you believe. APA is fun for a lot of people, and you get the most enjoyment out of it when you don't concern yourself with the handicap system and how it works. Those who can't enjoy it that way shouldn't play.

The promoter's contract with the venue specifies "Y dollars/night for up to X" people per room, where X is usually 4. The venue enforces up to X names on the reservation list. It is up to the promoter to police more than X actually staying in the room if they want. Bigger organizations...

That's all part of the deal the event promoter makes with the event venue. In their contract with the property they likely have a clause that they will guarantee a certain number of rooms per night, and this is how they choose to do it. If they don't meet a certain percentage of their...

I disagree that an understanding of double-hit fouls is child-level. I think what APA is saying is that it's ok not to be cutthroat about one specific rule. Anyone who can't understand how that's different from ignoring all rules is the one who needs to grow up.

Oh I agree with that. That's why I don't handle it that way in my area. But I don't have an area where the whole team feels ambushed or blindsided when I call a double hit. Sometimes the player is but a teammate usually explains it to them quickly and they're good. APA has a different...

Technically, they will learn sooner if you explain it before you call it. :p

Explaining how it's going to be called and then calling it that way is a positive experience. At least for most people.

That behavior started at the national level and filtered into local areas with referee programs. Oddly enough, it's those areas with referee programs that would be perfectly fine with referees calling it the way everyone here suggests. But believe it or not, there are entire franchise areas...

You do realize that your suggested determination would eventually result in just one 7, right? Every match between 7's has exactly one winner and one loser. If ANY of them are over 50% against other 7's, some of them HAVE to be under 50% (no matter how many there are), or they go down. You...

In nearly 30 years, I've never raised a skill level to grow even one team. You go ahead and believe what you want to believe though, that's your prerogative. I never said any two 7's play even - I said the best 7's are more likely to lose more 8-Ball matches than 9-Ball matches even though...

Because the 7/7 is still good enough to run out almost as often in 8-Ball but not nearly as often in 9-Ball, so the mistakes made by the 7/9 in 8-Ball are more costly. That and experience running both 8-Ball and 9-Ball tournaments for these players.

It's a historical thing. At first, when there was just 8-Ball, it was a race to your handicap and it was decided that 7 was the most anyone should have to win and 2 the fewest. Later the races were all shortened to shorten the league night. Over the years there was discussion of handicaps...

I've heard of those. Funny though, I've never heard the word "successful" associated with them. Popular, maybe. But I do believe the system you use and the races don't matter as much as the people in the group and the person running it. If you make it fun players will play. Conversely, you...

I know nothing about the leagues of which you speak, but my first guess is they were all or almost all better players. Game spots in 9-Ball get better when the players are better (as I said previously). But then again, if you're scoring by game and you want to have a league, game spots are...

I agree, and that's the reason games on the wire isn't used much as a spot in 9-Ball when players match up. 9-Ball and games like it are games where it's not unusual to win while doing much less "work" than your opponent, so handicapping based on wins/losses alone is very hard and won't always...

I prefer sport, but for a purely selfish reason and not having anything to do with this discussion. I like the reaction I get when I tell a stranger that I own a sports franchise. 😁