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Cameron and BlueRaider, you two said it perfectly. Success takes work, but it has to be the right work. If you want to become a great rock climber and spend 10 hours a day doing push ups it might not equate to world class ability. So someone who gave their best and didn't get there doesn't...

Chris said it best. 3.5 years is just getting started. By now I'd expect you can pocket routine shots, make basic cue ball maneuvers, often have runs of 5+ balls, and occasionally run a table if the balls lay right and it goes your way. There are levels and levels beyond this. You can either...

Perfect. I say we each try to find ours and don’t stop until we get there. Looks like we agree on that one! 👍

Good question. Most players aren’t champions and cannot or will not put in what it takes to get there. In these cases I would say they are capped by what they put in. Or, even more often, by the way they invest their budget of time and energy. But yes, I am not inclined to believe in a...

No Trent, I’m expressing my opinion. Just my opinion. I’m not the one claiming to dictate reality.

Bbb, we can’t assume they both put in the same work. That wasn’t the deal. My point is that the player who believes in talent will likely not have put in the work the other player has and will likely not be as strong of a player. This is obvious but everyone wants to dodge the question or...

Maybe you’re right. Looks like no matter how much you practice you won’t ever be able to understand what fact and truth means.

A fact is something that has indisputable evidence. Your personal experience with skateboarding is an anecdotal opinion. Typing it in all caps doesn't change that. We can disagree but you don't get to rest your case by basically saying you are the judge and jury and you find you agree with...

Here’s a question for y’all. You have to bet 5k on a match. You know nothing about how good either player performs, they are both total strangers. The only thing you know is that player A believes talent separates the best from the good and player B believes each individual can achieve anything...

Yes, but god needs us to meet him part way. To us humans it feels like all the way.

How much would we have to bet for it to be worth your while to run this experiment? 🤣 Pool doesn’t quite work that way. Some things take time. You can’t teach a kid to read in a week or two. It takes time for them to learn letters, sounds, and all the weird rules that form our language. The...

While it can be hard to watch a well struck break leaving the player penalized by watching the cue ball get kissed into a pocket, there is a lot that luck brings to the game of 9 ball. Luck creates drama for the viewers because you never know what is going to happen. But more importantly luck...

This is our chess world champion drinking, listening to rap, and swearing at his opponent while streaming online speed chess. Everyone loves him and both he and chess are doing just fine. I don't think in 2022 Sky's comment is responsible for holding pool back.

If by talent you mean he started very young and spent a lot of time learning to move his arm in a straight line and pocket open balls then yes, he is talented. Along the pool journey to the top there will be many, many other hurdles both mental and physical, and both on the table and off in...

No two year player has ever run me over or come close to keeping up with me. I've seen some players who have put in a ton of hours that can strike the balls fairly well, but I've developed my skills far beyond a comfort level pocketing open shots. If you haven't done the same that speaks more...

Efren played around the clock for decades and spent nights sleeping under pool tables. That’s talent.

If we took 100 beginners and had them all attempt a spot shot one time, maybe 3-4 of them would somehow make the shot. Are those people the most talented or is this just a ridiculously small sample size and natural variance? Pool is a long journey. Along the way there will be some areas that...

Hey Bob! Good question here. I guess it comes down to what we consider talent. The 15 year old soccer star has presumably has developed some skills that might transfer over into pool, such as strong mental outlooks and confidence in their ability. This player has also clearly been screened...

True, true. One thing though. Some instructors believe fundamentals are overrated and prioritized patterns and cue ball that result in simple enough shots that one doesn’t need to be robot perfect to run out. 😎

Talent is for suckers. No one on this forum has ever been capped by their talent. Maybe if we talk about what separates the #1 and #10 player in history we could theorize but it’s still a debate. People who point to stories of quick or slow learners are talking about short time durations with a...