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We have a private room were I play. Very nice and reasonably quiet. The players enjoy the separation from the loud music on Friday nights. . .

Super! I enjoy Gandy's with quality felt, excellent play. . . . .

Seems to prove my point. Note were the two colors meet to form a noticeable line around the 2nd ball. As you can see it is slowing twisting. Additionally, the twist is a continues movement and we only get to see about 3.5 inches of movement because the video is very short. (doesn't let you see...

Actually not. I was saying that side English plus felt causes the OB to twist. I do not like the statement "side English is transferred" because it does not describe the complete shot leaving the impression that a ball moves forward with only that English. In space this is correct, on a pool...

You taught it to roll-over with a little side spin? Maybe if you didn't smack the poor thing so hard it would have rolled-over sooner.

I'm not sure I follow you. You are doing this with with OB only right, just the ball by itself w/o a CB? This is what I was stating and never mentioned how to hit a CB into it. If you are using a CB then you must consider distance when hitting this shot. I welcome you to help others with the...

OK, my earlier topic about spin and such got a little out-of-hand. My intent was to evolve the topic into how to improve shot making and safeties based upon knowledge of what happens w/English. I tried to startle people into seeing the picture, kind of like you can look a window or rather to see...

No need to. Best to keep it separate because results are different. This was a difficult task. I have 6 brothers and sisters who are Dr.s', Chemists and a research microbiologist. Every time I make a statement they all get caught into frames of detail and I get frustrated because I'm after the...

Thank you. (for anyone interested) I'm looking at the complete shot. If I were just paying attention to spin and the ball were to skid the entire way, it would be less meaningful. Simply put, a skidding ball means the bank shot is played with greater speed which would negate the spin...

Yes and in space it will spin and it will spin and it will spin. I do not understand what this has to do with a pool table that has billiard ball and felt that are friction-ous. You can not ignore the variables.

I agree 100% I agree 100% I agree 100%, though I was keeping these examples out - trying to stay with side only. I agree 100%. I completely agree with you and is what I have been stating. Your are describing the effects of a twist. Hitting the ball harder slows down the twist by causing...

Very hard to follow as it is short, seems as if the OB is still sliding. Wish there were a better video.

So what you are telling me is that on a direct hit on a pool table with pool balls, given a CB with left spin only striking an OB directly will cause the OB to spin with right hand only english up table. So illustration 1 is accurate which I say in the real pool world it is not accurate. In fact...

Yes I am serious. So you are saying that the first illustration is correct and the 2nd one is not? Please tell me.

This is not the focus of what I am talking about. I am stating that the OB can not have pure side spin if hit directly with a CB that has pure side spin on it. This is all I am stating. I am not stating any other types of hits or English. The reason for my entire post is that Colin had mentioned...

Did not mean to imply that. Keep in mind that I can cause pure side spin to the OB but my point is on a direct hit, the OB twists when the CB has pure side spin on it. I do not believe this 2nd part. I can cause the OB to have pure side spin and I can also cause the OB to have zero spin when...

seems as if many completely missed the point. Lets say instead of my using the word twist (to describe the overall effects), I say that yes english is transfered (which is only part of what happens). My entire point is and has never changed that the OB DOES NOT travel down the table with...

Right the ball is being twisted and you are framing the actions simply because it would be otherwise impossiible to magically change without motion. I was never referring to throwing the ball or a double hit. Balls must be spaced enough for a legal straight on shot. The bold is what counts. How...

So you are saying the first diagram stated "No", you mean it should say "Yes" on a direct hit?

forgot my "see below"