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JB Cases stated: "The rules state what the fouls are and what the penalties are. If you commit a foul then by NOT calling it you are breaking the rules. There is no grey state of being here. The incoming player should get ball in hand if that's the rule and you should give it to him." This...

Let me pose a question.... The rules state that if you miss a shot, your inning is over. In the same arguable tone, if you commit a foul, your inning is over. When you miss a shot and your inning is over....do you regularly inform your opponent as to the status of the game? I don't know of...

I think all parties have had more than their fair share of expression. It's unlikely that any minds have been changed significantly on the subject but I'm ready to step out of the ring and put it to bed.

Your'e on the right track...we all define situations differnely. For those who boldy state that failure to self call a foul is cheating do so because it serves some self imposed value system that they now wish to impose upon their opponent. Why are so many close-minded to the fact that we do...

Let's try a little logic using what seems to be the gneral concensus of those who think failure to self call a foul is cheating. Assumption 1. A foul is against the rules. Failure to call a rule violation is cheating, Therefore, according to the transitive theory of equality, failure to call a...

Hendry wrote: "If you foul and don't call it, you are a cheater." Thank you for your "opinion". Do you have any qualifications, notable degrees or paperwork which might support the fact that you know this to be true for everyone? Or is this just a truth for you?

you said: "The Holy Rollers are smart business men. By preaching to everyone to call their own fouls, they create an atmosphere where their opponents will automatically call their own fouls. This only serves to help the Holy Roller. " This is true if your intent is to influence the...

There's an old saying in business...treat someone well and they will tell a friend. Treat someone poorly and they will tell the world. If it seems that there are many more proponents for calling a foul on yourself, it may simply be that those who have been burned in the past take it personally...

You confuse majority with correctness. It is often said the majority rules; however, it is never said the majority is always right. Take a close look at history and you will find too many examples of the majority making bad choices. I can list a few presidents to prove my point. There was a...

Wow! It seems the holy rollers just can't seem to get over the illusions of "right" and "wrong". Despite the level of logic infused into this argument, they always fall back on ..."it's just wrong". It would seem that the world now has a specific example for the term "wrong". There are no...

It is implicit only in the event I pocket a ball...If I don't pocket a ball, I'm aware the foul has occured but a distracted opponent my not be aware. If I didn't pocket a ball and sit down, he may simply think that I just missed the shot and will play his inning without the benefit of BIH. I...

Justadub stated: "Contrast that with folks like you who want to say that if their opponent doesnt see it, its ok to let it go. I believe there is nothing about it that isn't easy to understand. You either feel its ok to cheat, or you don't. And when the time comes to uphold that, there will...

The one thing I've been able to take away from this thread is that the vast majority of those who claim they will call a foul on themselves also seem to have many exceptions to their perception of the rule. Aside from money, peers, their mood, their swaying sense of morality, their impression...

To Eagle Man.... Thank you very much! Finally, a player who recognizes that all these people interjecting ethics and rules have completely missed the point. It's not against the rules and ethics are a matter of perspective...nothing more. Isn't it time we put this topic to bed and move on?

Credo said: "A lot of it has to do with what everyone else does. We tend to go with the herd. For most people... if everyone else breaks the speed limit, then they will learn that behavior too. If nobody breaks it, then they will play along. One reason the speeding analogy doesn't work is...

Krupa said: "I agree with all of this. (But I still don't agree with the poker analogy)" If you agree with this, then we are on the same page... As for those who keep infusing words like "cheat", "honor" and "Integrity" into this issue when they are simply self imposed perceptions....I fear...

Chris stated: "Let me rephrase: If your opponent is not watching table, is that the equivalent of him ABANDONING the game? If your opponent has disappeared and is no longer watching the game, surely this would be HIS problem, not yours. And is it not the same if his MIND has abandoned the...

Perhaps I'm not being clear..... I've already admitted that a foul is against the rules. This is not under debate. What's under debate is whether the "rules" mandate that we call a foul on ourselves. From what I can tell.....they do not! Therefore, if we are not required under the rules to...

Krupa said: "Your analogy only works if you accept one of two things: 1. that bluffing in poker is a violation of the rules and only when your opponent calls your bluff. 2. that committing a foul in pool is only a violation if you get caught. " I disagree. Committing a foul is always a...

Krupa, you said: "Fouling in pool is not analogous to bluffing in poker. In the former, you're essentially violating the rules/regulations." I think they are highly relavant. In previous threads we've identified that people often break rules in many sports but they are only penalized when...