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If I recall correctly, Joe Tucker's "number system" is just a re-done version of Willi Mosconi's "parallel line" system--both of which are just variations of an underlying ghost ball method. From what Stan has said I believe he is claiming that CTE/Pro-one independently (from information of the...

Thanks. I VERY MUCH appreciate you being upfront about this. You must know that there has been a lot of vagueness in CTE discussions. My question is this: Don't you agree that people IN THE PAST have made the impression that with CTE "it's not necessary" to "know where the pocket is?" I can...

OK. Thanks for being fully forthcoming. Now here's the pinch: In order to accomplish that, it's mathematically necessary to (directly or indirectly) incorporate in the process (somewhere) the EXACT relative positions of CB, OB, and POCKET. It can't be done using exact relative positions of CB...

OK, if it does that then it would certainly qualify as a "system" for precisely pocketing balls. However, that takes us back to the beginning (for me): One CANNOT devise a system that sets up an exact "solution" for the pocketing of a ball, without including precise information about the...

So, IOW, you're saying that after all the alignments and pivots involved in Pro-one are completed, the stick itself is pointed in such a way that a straight stroke into "center cue ball" will cause the OB to go into the pocket?

Right. I've heard it said that way. The question is whether it does that for someone who doesn't previously KNOW how to make the shot? Here's a question that may clarify things: Can the phrase "It puts your body in the correct position to execute the shot" be substituted with the phrase "it...

OK. I should have given more detail. I want to know if CTE is a system which provides the ability to correctly hit the OB with the CB in order to pocket the ball--if the player himself doesn't previously KNOW where to hit the OB with the CB to pocket the ball. Surely you realize that a raw...

To me that seems to say that CTE is helping to hit the ball where you WANT to hit the ball--instead of TELLING YOU where to hit the ball in order to make it go into the pocket. If that is correct then I'm COMPLETELY SATISFIED that I've misunderstood what CTE is and what it is meant to...

GREAT!! I've said before that maybe the problem IS that the entire discussion is over semantics. I'D LOVE TO INVESTIGATE THIS FURTHER AND MAYBE ALL PROBLEMS COULD BE SOLVED. Maybe I and many others have made a mistake in assuming that CTE PROVIDES THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO POCKET BALLS...

To me this is more CTE sidestepping. This thread isn't about aiming. This thread is about CTE, which is called an AIMING SYSTEM. Comments about "perception" and the visual aspects of aiming, in place of geometric discussion, look like a multi-step slither away from a system and toward some...

Post #1 was about a thing: CTE. Above regards a person. First post was the prosecution's opening statement in the trial of the thing--trial of the person hasn't begun yet, because we haven't seen the important evidence of the DVD (or the 100 page manifesto). I've rested my case (maybe) against...

I agree that selling something (and I'm sure he makes far more off lessons than he will the DVD) is cause for skepticism about the seller's claims regarding his wares. But being a businessman alone doesn't make somebody a fraud. The DVD is a step in the direction of fair and honest disclosure...

As it turns out, knowing what it ISN'T is actually very useful and informative: it's NOT an aiming system (which tells you where to aim). With that being the case, it's certainly not something I'm interested in--and I can't see why anyone ELSE would be interested in it, either......UNLESS they...

Yeah. It's ahead of a couple of "free giveaway" threads. Now THAT'S news! :D

I'm willing to (perhaps) roll back slightly on my characterization. My position is: 1) CTE is NOT an aiming system (by any meaningful definition of the term) 2) It does not produce "exact shot solutions" (it can't, because it doesn't take the position of the pocket relative to the OB into...

Right. That's my (new) point. Tagging the "pivot" process to one's shots (learned by feel) perhaps makes for (in those players) a better ability to recall and carry out the "feel" necessary to make the shot.

Bustamante wags his stick around more than his D***. Show me something he does ALL THE TIME and maybe I can consider your observation as something other than WILDLY selective viewing/reporting.

My point is that I DON'T think there's a fundamental difference. I think CTE players acquire "feel" and then to it they add a...recipe, dance, incantation, series of mental constructs, that is associated with the "feel." When the shot comes up they use a combination of direct feel and their...

Examples ?

Jarno, I agree with the implications of what you've said: I think "fundamentals" are probably over-emphasized to the detriment of actual "training." By training I mean the process of accomplishing the task at hand, and incorporating that success into one's repertoire through "mindful...