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Both w wrap to keep things even. Looks don't count. Thoughts? Also what do you guys think about ash wood for cues.

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Interesting. Well I just scored one off eBay for a good price. I guess if I don't like it I can at least make a few bucks

I have heard a lot of negative stuff regarding these, like, predator stopped making these because they sucked (in no certain terms) Anyone play w these and like em? Mostly looking for someone that OWNED one and gave it a fair run, got used to it ect.

So you don't like en? Why? I think they are overpriced but play well IMHO

These cues seem to be all the hype. I just bought a sneaky Pete w a steal joint and wrap(not very sneaky) 30"z2 shaft. I lived it but the shaft had a slight wobble so back it went. I didn't reall like the wrap it was kinda slick and looked Like it had some wax in it. So I was gonna get the same...