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I agree, there was just to many different specs online imho. That's why I wanted actual table outside specs where I could lay it out and test with cue and my stroke. Seems none of the billiard stores want to give you actual outside dimensions just table surface.

I actually have way more than 13.6 on the width side. Just have to move some furniture. The 17foot length I'm stuck with. Sounds like I need to throw a offer on this connelly ventana.. I think I could get it for 1500. With light I won't use and some other extras I could sell.

There is a decent one within 4 hour drive that's a bar box plus measuring 8foot2 x 54. With 5 foot all around even that feels tight against my bar no where else. Only issue would be when ball would be against the rail. Reason I was asking for real world dimensions. I set it up with some chairs...

Std length cue ive got 17 foot by 13.5foot. I figured a 7 foot table would be best for the space but wanted to see real world outside dimensions. Seems like the billiard suggestions online vary on suggested space. Thanks