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    APA, FARGO and the death of 8 ball.....

    It doesn't, and it can't. A SL of 2 represents a certain ability, and if a player improves beyond that ability they become a SL3. A SL of 9 also represents a certain ability, and if a player improves they stay a SL9, meaning they should be expected to win more often than before they improved...
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    Why break for the 8 in APA

    We must have different definitions of a nit. I've run APA leagues for a long time, and by far (and I mean FAR) the nittiest ones are the ones that also play other leagues. The rest just want to have a good time, and nitpicking rules (that's where "nit" comes from, right?) just isn't a good...
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    APA Question spin off.

    I didn't say he said they weren't having fun. I just said it was like saying they didn't have to. That leaves open the choice not to have fun, and I said *I* wouldn't put it that way. While a person is certainly free to choose a recreational activity that they don't enjoy, I don't know why...
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    APA Question spin off.

    I don't know if I would put it that way. That's kind of like saying "you don't have to have fun if you don't want to." I think those who strive to reach their max potential ARE having fun. There's nothing in the world wrong with that either. It's just a different kind of fun - to each their own.
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    APA rule question

    #32 under General Rules in the OTM (page 40 in the current print version).
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    APA rule question

    No foul in any of those cases, restore the table (if it was disturbed) and continue, even in the concession case, which is discouraged in the APA. Possible sportsmanship issue. Tell me again what's different? One might disagree with it, but I think it's pretty consistent.
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    APA rule question

    You just scratched, and you think it's reasonable to think your opponent is conceding? There is nothing in APA rules about conceding a game. If anything, it is discouraged. Under what rule set? Are you making up an imaginary set of rules? In APA, reset the table if you can, and your...
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    APA rule question

    Just as important as the words is one's ability to read correctly. Why do you conclude that I don't know the difference when I said the difference is irrelevant here? Perhaps just trolling...
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    APA rule question

    Had that happened player 2 would have been correct in gathering balls. But we know that's not what you really meant. :p These are two different situations, one is a foul involving the cue ball and the other isn't. They don't have to have the same resolution. Moving a ball by mistake or...
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    Another chicken shit “foul”

    In my opinion these two instances should not be covered by the same rule, or at the least the rule should allow the differentiation between possible impact on the shot in play or not. Again, judgement call. Call it a "Sportsmanship-related Act", and it can be positive, negative, or neutral...
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    Another chicken shit “foul”

    That's just dumb. Where credibility is lost is in allowing something like that to cost a player a game. Who didn't watch that video and think "That's incredible"? A literal loss of credibility right there in the words (or is it decredible?). Someone not familiar with the sport looks at it...
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    APA rule question

    Yes, negotiation and compromise. APA says that once the captains agree on a resolution, even if it's a coin flip, and continue, the resolution stands.
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    APA rule question

    Sure you can rake a big cluster, but there is a penalty. That action is neither a mistake nor an accident, though you may claim it was. It's unsportsmanlike and should be reported as such. A review of the unsportsmanlike action could result in your League Operator taking away the points you...
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    APA rule question

    Why wow? When a player moves balls by accident or mistake (see how much of a pain it is to appease those who think THAT distinction is important?), the opponent puts them back. If there's a dedicated referee (I think there's a dedicated ref for each table in the last four rounds), it's...
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    APA rule question

    The rules don't require it. The rules say if you don't and your opponent is a nit and calls loss of game, you lose. What was that you were saying earlier about taking responsibility for your actions? Personally, I don't like the rule either. But I understand it and have to enforce it. I...
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    APA rule question

    Not that I know of.
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    Another chicken shit “foul”

    I disagree with blanket application of the term "unsportsmanlike". There was nothing unsportsmanlike about this action. Unsportsmanlike to me is an intentional act performed to demean or embarrass one's opponent, use rules in ways other than intended, etc., similar to Matt's definition, and is...
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    APA rule question

    Wouldn't that be nice? No need for rules at all. If you take away the need for game results to be compared apples-to-apples (even in the absence of any handicap system this is necessary), the main purpose of rules is to keep order, to keep one party from taking advantage of another and to...
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    APA rule question

    Understood, and not unreasonable. It could have a small impact on skill level, and we try to keep things not related to skill or luck out of the calculation, but that's not what would keep APA from changing stance. What would keep them from changing is all the other times the players would...
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    APA rule question

    Tell me why, and if you could change things, how would you like it to be ruled? League Operators can suggest rule changes. There's a whole process, as there should be, but changes usually start at the LO level, and LO's get most of their ideas from players. Personally, I don't respond...
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