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Holy shit, maybe this is a Black...

I can't find any Helmsetter or Adam with a butt sleeve like this also can't even get close to the rings and the shafts all have original ivory ferrules. As for the butt not a wooden plug but some kind of epoxy fill.

They literally read as of he made them 30 mins apart... It better be a coma...

WTF you just replied to your own post from 2018? Why... Please tell me you just woke up from a coma.

Are you saying the estate sold consigned cues without acknowledging that the cue was consigned or the consignee was not made whole?

C Can you send them to me, I own the cue!

This was going to be my guess, these five veneer points like this cue scream Helmsetter to me.

Hot needle test the butt cap on the inside and you will know if it's ivory or not

Leave my dad out of this please...

Justin is that you?

Must have dropped it when he jumped the canyon...

It's EK and I have no clue it's stamped next to the joint and on the shaft

I have a contact who sent him the photos, but there are some pretty smart cats on this website and I value their opinions. The owner of the cue emailed Richard some photos of the cue and he said it was his which is why I bought it. But once I got it in hand I really doubted it was one of his...

No it's just the crappy varnish but the cue is in desperate need of a refinish

Where?

Yeah agreed clearly stacked.

One thing I will say is a Richard Black trait that this cue has is a long courtland wrap section that is 14" long. I've heard that RB early on was known for longer grip sections on his cues.

Here you go Doc

I have a 85 and 95 this was supposed to be mid to late 70's. I've not seen examples of his work from that period so had nothing to compare too.

So this was for sale in the for sale thread the owner said they purchased it directly from Dorothy Wise who told him it was a Richard Black. I'm almost 92% positive that it is not an early unsigned Black. 1. The joint is a 5/16-18 that is not piloted 2. The butt cap is kind of unfinished with...