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They should start a rivalry match like the Mosconi cup. The "Reyes Cup" :thumbup:

Thanks for input! Using these figures, it appears a 20-person, Double elimination bracket with 38 games total is best for staying around 4 hours. 4.5 games per hour x 2 tables = 9 games per hour... 38/9= 4:12 Good advice! Thanks!

Trying to start a non-sanctioned tournament at a local bar. - 8-Ball, APA rules - Single game matches - Double elimination - "Average " league players What's the maximum number of participants to keep it around 4 hours, using 2 tables? Another question , is there a good handicap rating...

Nice shooting, K- chicken. How much did you win?

I've decided to start a local Fakebook group,"To connect people and pool" in my area. The goal is to consolidate info about local pool events, leagues, etc. As well as general pool discussion. I'm sure some of you have already done this. Any advice, tips, anecdotes are appreciated. Thanks!

Get those trolls!

They've been limiting the "performance" of baseball/softball bats and balls for a couple decades. It get's to the point where stuff literally out-performs the venue, as well as completely changes the game. Without limitations, every field would have to be expanded, from Yankee Stadium, to Podunk...

I'm dying. These comments are killing me. LOL :rotflmao::kiss::dance::killingme::clapping:

If it happened in a qualifier you'd immediately be moved up. Regardless whether your team remained eligible to participate going forward. :( Good job on the B&R. :)

Bingo. They keep win percentage in the equation to muddle the results with subjectivity. In turn, said subjectivity provides an excuse to manipulate SL's for team-busting and expansion.

"I want to report a rights violation" - middle of the page. They'll pull it. https://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/listing-and-marketing/verified-rights-owner-program.html#m17-1-tb2

Pics or it didn't happen!

Not having a solution doesn't mean there isn't a problem. Introducing FargoRate has been suggested... I suggested removing win percentage from the formula, as it's highly subjective due to disparity in competition levels from league to league... Based on any number of possible personal biases.

I was going to say, table conditions IS a variable that CAN be accounted for in determining SL, but you beat me to it. Again, point being they need a better system for ranking players properly BEFORE tournaments, instead of ranking-up on the spot and effectively DQ-ing people and entire teams...

Apples and oranges. Tracking pool uses a different, easier set of quantifiable variables. And even in the NCAA, the "strength of schedule" variable is far from scientifically sound. There's entire TV programs devoted to debating the results, week in and week out...

Disagree... Sure, if winning pct is a factor, it will vary... That's why win% shouldn't be factored at all. It's an independent, uncontrolled variable in an otherwise simple equation. It only serves to obfuscate the results, whether unintentional, or by design...

Geographical location WOULD NOT be a factor if APA's system was truly a mathematical formula, and not arbitrary manipulation of SL's for the sake of team busting and expansion. None. Zip. Nadda. 5 innings is 5 innings, whether you're playing SVB on the 99th floor of the Empire State Building, or...

If you REALLY wanna try center ball... and practice speed and angles and cheating pockets, shoot a few racks with a phenolic tip. It'll sraignten ya out right quick. No pun intended.

A group for pool development? Yeah, ok, that's cool. Not really sure what the bleep is going on in this thread though.

Excellent. I'll let you know. FYI, things don't tend to happen too fast around here lol... I'm wondering what's going on with the bumper myself. Is it screwed in?? The thing seems seized up. I can't get it to budge no matter how hard I turn it. Is it supposed to come out by hand? Thank again