Please refund the money you owe!!
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+1 on the before
Post one states the jewelry was made and delivered in time. It also states the jewelry was made in lieu of money for the addition of the "cap" for the extension. So, it seems it paid for the stick and used the jewelry as partial payment of the JP's.
Much better before the extra work
You might think it's unproductive, but it clearly produced two things to me.
1) What kind of buyer Ole Roy is, which may affect any of the readers here wanting to do business with him in the near or far future.
2) The moral character of the seller, which will also affect his future business for many on here, as you can see we've already lost some of his talents, no longer accepting orders.
Dare I say, counterproductive??
Whats the point to a full splice when you cover up the bottom points,
Get it?
Get it?
I did just that to a cue maker in CA that passed away a few years ago. Pretty big name, so I'm sure most folks know him. I send him a cue to refinish and never saw the cue again.
he said he moved shops, and he was now in Bakersfield if I remember correctly. This happened about 15 years ago.
I told him, fine you lost the cue or it was stolen, you know what the cue looked like, he made it before... but it was a 30 year old cue. I just said make another one.... I don't mind having a new cue that looks like my old cue, I wanted it refinished anyways... so now I'll get a brand new cue.
Nothing. would not return phone calls or emails, etc. For 6 months this went on. I got his new address, and I left a message that I was buying a plane tix for next week. If I didn't hear from by then, he can explain to me, in person, where my old cue is, or what is the status on my new cue. No threats, but when I came for the cue he better have $300 cash for my tix refund as well.
I got a call back within the hour. He said he would my new cue would be ready in one month. I got a date and said if not, i'm buying my plane tix.
Well, I got my cue. It was a plain jane (mine was not) The colors were not even close to what I told him. Appears he forgot what the cue he lost looked like even though I described it to him in details. Needless to say, I didn't like the cue. Not to mention it was a 13.5mm shaft.
I sold it, with full listed dimensions to some guy in Japan. I guess the really like his cues. I got $900 for it. So, I just decided to pocket the money and call it a day. I did not come out ahead in that deal.
Wonder what ever happened to my cue?? Had the xmas tree design on the butt... 3 triangles that were stacked that sort of resembled a xmas tree. Had a cork wrap too. Oh well, you win some you lose some.
I know exactly who you're talking about. This same guy liked to put pool players hands in a vise grip when shaking hands with them. He seemed to delight in making them squirm. I got tired of it and next time I went to his shop and he reached out his hand, I "accidentally" twisted his thumb backwards. I was pretty strong for a small guy myself. He got mad and told me to get out of his shop and I did, never to return.
A couple of years later he came to one of my tournaments and demanded free admission. The girl at the gate came and got me. I told him to pay or he could get out. He left. Good riddance!
no matter how the op handled it the cuemaker was wrong and intentionally screwed up the deal.
so unless you are dealing with cuemakers with impeccable reputations. never send more than a small deposit and only send more money when the cue is finished and satisfactory pictures arrive. or simply dont deal with them and be glad if they dont deal with you.
so unless you are dealing with cuemakers with impeccable reputations. never send more than a small deposit and only send more money when the cue is finished and satisfactory pictures arrive. or simply dont deal with them and be glad if they dont deal with you.
This is the most entertaining thread since the funny pic thread. Please, please never close it.
You got a small business man who once was reported to the BBB after he annoyed, inconvenienced, and worried a customer, all because her expensive item was in his possession and she could not locate him for days on end to retrieve it. For all she knew the guy had skipped out with her family heirloom jewelry.
Yet he comes around all butthurt, complaining on AZ about another small businessman, demanding people refuse to buy from him, calling him a crook, all because he is annoyed, inconvenienced, and worried that his demands are not met like he wants, when he wants.
He calls a cue maker a crook when in fact the cue maker is doing him a very expensive favor, going above and beyond normal business refund practices by even allowing a return of a fully personalized cue. When those barbells were installed at Roy’s insistence (and payment), that cue was personalized as surely as if Roy had his name, address, phone, zip, and portrait inlaid all up and down the butt and forearm.
Sure, the cue maker should have repaired the wrap, buffed out any scratches, which is what the buyer complained about. I think he would have, if that had been requested, since he did exactly that when the cue was returned. But in fact, and I believe this wholeheartedly, the stupid barbells the buyer insisted on having installed ruined the look and design - and resale value - of the cue, and so when Ol Roy saw the ugly thing in person he developed a bad case of Buyer’s Remorse, and went into a panic to get his money back before he got stuck with such an ugly cue.
Knowing he had ruined the cue, he went on a huge campaign to get everyone ‘on his side’, hoping he could threaten the cue maker enough to get a refund, so he wouldn’t be out $2800 for a cue he had devalued so badly.
Anyone who thinks they are ‘supposed’ to get a refund anytime they want it is not dealing with reality. If it is not in writing, if it is not stated or implied in State or Federal law, if the seller refuses to bend over backwards and give you what you want whether you deserve it or not, you have no recourse except to depend on civil courts or lawyers. Or, now, hash up a big stink on AZ.
But in the interest of fair play, Roy should agree to refund to the cue maker any loss he has to take on that devalued cue when it actually sells to a real buyer. Better yet, he should put a grand or two in an escrow account for that eventuality, so the cue maker doesn’t have to wait for his money. I mean, it’s wrong to have to wait for your money, right? Isn’t that what this is all about?
BTW, I have to think Roy flips cues, seeing as how he claims to have bought 60 Richard Black cues. So maybe, just maybe, Roy’s buyer of that cue backed out, and now Roy is the one with the cash flow problem... just a thought.
If you can't afford to spend $2800, then don't spend it. It is not a difficult concept.
p.s. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That may be the most beautiful cue in the world to someone.
You got a small business man who once was reported to the BBB after he annoyed, inconvenienced, and worried a customer, all because her expensive item was in his possession and she could not locate him for days on end to retrieve it. For all she knew the guy had skipped out with her family heirloom jewelry.
Yet he comes around all butthurt, complaining on AZ about another small businessman, demanding people refuse to buy from him, calling him a crook, all because he is annoyed, inconvenienced, and worried that his demands are not met like he wants, when he wants.
He calls a cue maker a crook when in fact the cue maker is doing him a very expensive favor, going above and beyond normal business refund practices by even allowing a return of a fully personalized cue. When those barbells were installed at Roy’s insistence (and payment), that cue was personalized as surely as if Roy had his name, address, phone, zip, and portrait inlaid all up and down the butt and forearm.
Sure, the cue maker should have repaired the wrap, buffed out any scratches, which is what the buyer complained about. I think he would have, if that had been requested, since he did exactly that when the cue was returned. But in fact, and I believe this wholeheartedly, the stupid barbells the buyer insisted on having installed ruined the look and design - and resale value - of the cue, and so when Ol Roy saw the ugly thing in person he developed a bad case of Buyer’s Remorse, and went into a panic to get his money back before he got stuck with such an ugly cue.
Knowing he had ruined the cue, he went on a huge campaign to get everyone ‘on his side’, hoping he could threaten the cue maker enough to get a refund, so he wouldn’t be out $2800 for a cue he had devalued so badly.
Anyone who thinks they are ‘supposed’ to get a refund anytime they want it is not dealing with reality. If it is not in writing, if it is not stated or implied in State or Federal law, if the seller refuses to bend over backwards and give you what you want whether you deserve it or not, you have no recourse except to depend on civil courts or lawyers. Or, now, hash up a big stink on AZ.
But in the interest of fair play, Roy should agree to refund to the cue maker any loss he has to take on that devalued cue when it actually sells to a real buyer. Better yet, he should put a grand or two in an escrow account for that eventuality, so the cue maker doesn’t have to wait for his money. I mean, it’s wrong to have to wait for your money, right? Isn’t that what this is all about?
BTW, I have to think Roy flips cues, seeing as how he claims to have bought 60 Richard Black cues. So maybe, just maybe, Roy’s buyer of that cue backed out, and now Roy is the one with the cash flow problem... just a thought.
If you can't afford to spend $2800, then don't spend it. It is not a difficult concept.
p.s. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That may be the most beautiful cue in the world to someone.
Spot on! Excellent summary!
However, this thread doesn't hold a candle to "Breedlove Dumped and IT WILL Be Addressed!" lol That one's easily still 'Thread of the Year'!
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Good afternoon A&Z,
Well today is April 15th I have not posted or said anything about Mr Summers since this previous post, Mr Summers had agreed to pay me by April 15th he put it on this forum I just went to the mailbox nothing, I tried calling him his messages are full It looks like I've been blocked from messenger so what does that tell you about Mr Summers, I have had my money and my jewelry I made totally $4,000 taken from me, all I'm asking you to do is stay away from Mr Summers and do not send him any money he is a liar and the thief.... It looks like I will have to go another avenue with Mr Summers.
DO NOT DEAL WITH BRENT SUMMERS CUE THIS IS FAIR WARNING!!!!! FOR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR CUES FROM HIM.
Mr Summers lied to me again and also lied to this forum about paying me in full by the 15th of April. This man is a thief!!!!
I would like to thank everyone who commented in this form for the positive and negative posts , Mr Summers does not keep his word and he took advantage of me, for his personal problems, I'm just trying to have other people not go through what I have and lost. Thanks Hoppe