Bustamante vs Chohan-One Pocket Money Match-June 16-18th. Who do you guys like ?
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If losing by 2 games to 2 of the best players on the planet doesn't prove his quality of play to you, then nothing will.
They had at least 20 big ones in the middle
Way way more than that was wagered on the side, not sure how much of that Tony had a piece of but pretty sure a good bit.
Big money floating around in New Orleans
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T-Rex is obviously a high quality one pocket player. I'm not saying he can't hang with these world class players, I just think he is a slight underdog and should probably ask for a spot. It is his money and backers money to lose though, so whatever they think is wise.
A SPOT???? He loses by TWO games over a three day period and you think he needs a spot? You do know he has beaten just about every "world class player", as you put it, in his career??? I hope you don't bet on pool much.
I guess I see that point you're trying to make. That's also why there's a line and you don't have to bet even money against a player of Bustys caliper.
I can say with pretty much certainly, Busty, nor his backers will be spotting Chohan a darn thing though. They are both 'world class'... one just has been on fire lately and playing crazy good and still can barely best the T-Rex
tony beat dennis their first bout and i don't think svb has ever beaten him. he came pretty close here too. i wouldn't call him second tier. but the top two is by now pretty unthreatened, bustie is arguably 3rd, with this win and dcc wins. filler a contender, still an undefined entity in my eyes given that the basement match was rather special. i would say tony is top 5 and still the best american 1p player.
I don’t follow every match up- but it seems he’s lost his last 3 match ups against elite players- Orcullo, Fuller, and Bustamante. If I were him or his backers I might start to think he is a slight underdog against this level of players.
I don’t really care either way- I rarely bet on anything. It was just a thought.
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Dennis had Chohan by 10 games at 24. Dennis for sure is on another level.
Straight shooting like Dennis and Filler beats movers all day long.
Theres a reason why those 2 can run 200+ in straight pool without much effort.
That will coincides in a few more 8 and outs.
Busty had 4 8 and outs and Chohan only had 2. Pretty Sure Filler had even more than 4 in his match with Chohan.
Straight shooting like Dennis and Filler beats movers all day long.
Theres a reason why those 2 can run 200+ in straight pool without much effort.
That will coincides in a few more 8 and outs.
Busty had 4 8 and outs and Chohan only had 2. Pretty Sure Filler had even more than 4 in his match with Chohan.
Interesting post, seriously.
I have always thought the opposite. Efren playing Jason Miller in the one pocket finals at DCC years ago. Jason is a straight shooting son of a gun, but in the finals Efren beat him 3 games straight in about 50 minutes. Jason never had a shot. IMO, if you are tied up behind a ball and never have a shot it is tough to run out, I don't care who you are.
NONE of the above players are even close to Efren's speed in his prime. So if you have straight shooter verses straight shooter, then the straight shooter is going to win.
Ken
I feel Scott Frost, Tony Chohan, and to a lesser extent, Cliff Joiner, are missing the accuracy
that made Alex and Dennis champions at the shooting games. No matter how well they’re
playing, they can miss open shots that nine-ball players eat up.
Watching the latest match, I was thinking Tony should play more 9-ball.
The foundation of any billiard game is accuracy...he seems to have everything else.
that made Alex and Dennis champions at the shooting games. No matter how well they’re
playing, they can miss open shots that nine-ball players eat up.
Watching the latest match, I was thinking Tony should play more 9-ball.
The foundation of any billiard game is accuracy...he seems to have everything else.
Agreed.
I have seen a couple matches where Tony missed a ball that he couldn't afford to miss, and he did.
I like Tony and got to talk to him after he murdered my buddy Skyler at DCC.
I might get slammed for this about Scott Frost. IMO, Scott has never been the same after Alex pounded him in the streamed match several years ago. I know I sound like a Rocky commercial but Scott lost that confidence that champions must have to win.
Cliff seems to have medical issues (I don't know that). He seems to shake and is just a shell of what he used to be. Pretty sad, because I always made a point to watch him DCC.
Ken
Interesting post, seriously.
I have always thought the opposite. Efren playing Jason Miller in the one pocket finals at DCC years ago. Jason is a straight shooting son of a gun, but in the finals Efren beat him 3 games straight in about 50 minutes. Jason never had a shot. IMO, if you are tied up behind a ball and never have a shot it is tough to run out, I don't care who you are.
NONE of the above players are even close to Efren's speed in his prime. So if you have straight shooter verses straight shooter, then the straight shooter is going to win.
Ken
it's hard to compare eras though. watching efren, cliff, daulton, etc in their prime got me hooked on 1p and much can be said about the finesse moving game back then vs power one pocket now. i for one think the game has evolved. for example, the standard counter break defence shot back then was to draw of the ball below the side pocket, down the rail to the corner. seldom seen now in top 1p where attacking response is preferred. efren paved the way but i think a prime efren would be in deep trouble against an alex or a dennis now
he had a stroke i think
Yes, Filler had 6 and Chohan 4 in their race to 21.
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Sometimes... I wonder what this all does to a player.
A lot of dough is at stake. And I begin to wonder what a guy who has no other job might think about doing with the money -- if they win -- and the repercussions/fallout if they lose.
Rent, car, gas, phone, food, general quality of life, dare I say it -- health insurance? Is it possible that for one player, more than the other, there are extraneous factors and possibly more pressure than for another?
In any case, money pool is one tough SOB way to make a living.
Lou Figueroa
A lot of dough is at stake. And I begin to wonder what a guy who has no other job might think about doing with the money -- if they win -- and the repercussions/fallout if they lose.
Rent, car, gas, phone, food, general quality of life, dare I say it -- health insurance? Is it possible that for one player, more than the other, there are extraneous factors and possibly more pressure than for another?
In any case, money pool is one tough SOB way to make a living.
Lou Figueroa
In Jason's defense he is/was owner of a room in Ohio and doesn't play near as much as most pros. His finishes at Derby were pretty amazing considering he's mostly been a part timer the last few years. I guess he's kind of a legend in the Dayton area.Interesting post, seriously.
I have always thought the opposite. Efren playing Jason Miller in the one pocket finals at DCC years ago. Jason is a straight shooting son of a gun, but in the finals Efren beat him 3 games straight in about 50 minutes. Jason never had a shot. IMO, if you are tied up behind a ball and never have a shot it is tough to run out, I don't care who you are.
NONE of the above players are even close to Efren's speed in his prime. So if you have straight shooter verses straight shooter, then the straight shooter is going to win.
Ken
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