"tips" of english

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evergruven

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is there a consensus on what constitutes a "tip" ?
I'd never given it much thought before
but read that a tip=3mm
thoughts?

additionally, is there a standard stripe size?
I read 27mm..so divide 3 into that and that means you get 4.5 tips of english in
on either side before miscueing
 
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straightline

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Not much for micro english. I will avoid it as far as cinching shots. English though has useful effects for what the ball does upon contact with a cushion. Run, reverse, open, close propel itself, kill itself... all rather like throttling where terms like minimum, more, lots etc. have more meaning. But since you asked, does full tip mean immediately adjacent to the vertical axis (which could be seen as half a tip and therefore a half tip more than that) or wTF???
 
Patrick Johnson

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evergruven said:
is there a consensus on what constitutes a "tip" ?
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No.

The most common definitions measure cue tip widths or fractions of maximum spin. Here's a convenient combination of those:

> 1 "tip" = 1/2 cue tip width, which also = 1/3 of maximum spin.

An alternate way of visualizing the same thing:

> aim the center of the shaft at 1/2 max, max and 1 1/2 max spin (1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 radius).

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bbb

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one tip on the horizontal is 1 diamond distance side rail to side rail
thats my definition
 
DawgAndy

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bbb said:
one tip on the horizontal is 1 diamond distance side rail to side rail
thats my definition
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that's pretty much how i do it as well. I have 4 tips on my CB. I use 1 instead of 0 but other than that, it's for the most part like in the illustration. I use the 1-4 to coincide with 0,15,30 and 45 degree hits on my OB...it all makes sense in my cluttered mind, somehow.
 
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bbb said:
one tip on the horizontal is 1 diamond distance side rail to side rail thats my definition
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On most tables that's 1/3 of maximum spin (as shown in the diagram) per diamond of distance - i.e., maximum spin = 3 diamonds.

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Patrick Johnson

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DawgAndy said:
that's pretty much how i do it as well. I have 4 tips on my CB. I use 1 instead of 0 but other than that, it's for the most part like in the illustration. I use the 1-4 to coincide with 0,15,30 and 45 degree hits on my OB...it all makes sense in my cluttered mind, somehow.
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Not sure if we're saying the same thing, but this "alternate way" described with my diagram above is the same as aiming the center of the shaft at the "15, 30 and 45 degree" hits on the CB - kind of a "spin by fractions" method.

"An alternate way of visualizing the same thing:

> aim the center of the shaft at 1/2 max, max and 1 1/2 max spin (1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 radius)."

pj
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bbb

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Patrick Johnson said:
Not sure if we're saying the same thing, but this "alternate way" described with my diagram above is the same as aiming the center of the shaft at the "15, 30 and 45 degree" hits on the CB - kind of a "spin by fractions" method.

"An alternate way of visualizing the same thing:

> aim the center of the shaft at 1/2 max, max and 1 1/2 max spin (1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 radius)."

pj
chgo
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i am confused by the above
i could be wrong but a 1/4 ball aim is a 15 degree cut which is your 2/3 tip not 1/3
similarly
45 degree is a 1/4 ball hit which has your aim off the ball
:confused::confused:
 
Patrick Johnson

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bbb said:
i am confused by the above
i could be wrong but a 1/4 ball aim is a 15 degree cut which is your 2/3 tip not 1/3
similarly
45 degree is a 1/4 ball hit which has your aim off the ball
:confused::confused:
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That's why I said "15, 30 and 45 degree hits on the CB" - meaning 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 radius from center ball.

I know it's a little confusing to say it that way... I did it in order to show the similarity between this "fractional" method of aiming the tip at the CB with the fractional method of aiming the CB at the OB.

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bbb

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Patrick Johnson said:
That's why I said "15, 30 and 45 degree hits on the CB" - meaning 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 radius from center ball.

I know it's a little confusing to say it that way... I did it in order to show the similarity between this "fractional" method of aiming the tip at the CB with the fractional method of aiming the CB at the OB.

pj
chgo
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Thanks for the explanation pat
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
No.

The most common definitions measure cue tip widths or fractions of maximum spin. Here's a convenient combination of those:

> 1 "tip" = 1/2 cue tip width, which also = 1/3 of maximum spin.

An alternate way of visualizing the same thing:

> aim the center of the shaft at 1/2 max, max and 1 1/2 max spin (1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 radius).

pj
chgo

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I like the above illistration, then think of the CB like the Face of a Clock, with the 12 hour points, and Center Ball you have a Total of 37 Points of or place to hit the CB.

Simple as pie to imagine, but tought to hit consistantly. With practice it will become easier.
 
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