Shaft sealing difference

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xiao.wend

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What is the difference between sealing a shaft using Sanding sealer (apply with paper towel and rub on shaft for sealing), leather, and brown paper bag.
What's the advantage and disadvantage between both of those method ?
And also which is the best for shaft maintenance after cleaning it (shaft) with damp alcohol + paper towel, so the Wood grain would not raise up (because i heard that alcohol would raise the wood grain and also slowly take away the previous sealer) and stay normal as usual.
Thanks alot, appreciate alot
 
mortuarymike-nv

mortuarymike-nv

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alcohol

cleaning with alcohol will remove shellac based sanding sealers.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10310

The oils on your hands will break down shellac.

Shellac is a natural product = and is safe too use on childrens toys ,
even if the child is putting the toy in there mouth.

Shellac comes from the lac bug
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13esmadco&sigi=11qserv86&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd

http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13tsisqh6&sigi=10mla7ic5&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd

shellac is also used to coat certain candies.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13f03ucfo&sigi=12179oas9&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd

this info is to explain that sanding sealers desolve just by the oils and moistures on your hands.

sanding sealer. 50/50 mix shellac /denatured alcohol apply with any paper towel, 1 or 2 coat. then I buff with a unltra fine pad Just to smooth
the surface of the shellac.



http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13q7a419b&sigi=11a15ms5t&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd
Then I repete
sanding sealer. 50/50 mix shellac /denatured alcohol apply with any paper towel, 1 or 2 coat. then I buff very lightly only to smooth the 50/50 shellac finsh. with a unltra fine pad.
after doing this 2 or 3 times

50/50 mix shellac /denatured alcohol dries in about 2 min.

then I apply pro w41 yellow car buff wax with old tee shirt rag
http://www.prowax.com/waxes/W-41_Yellow_Wax_Paste.html

this is ONE of the ways of sealing and waxing a shaft

MMike
 
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xiao.wend

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mortuarymike-nv said:
cleaning with alcohol will remove shellac based sanding sealers.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10310

The oils on your hands will break down shellac.

Shellac is a natural product = and is safe too use on childrens toys ,
even if the child is putting the toy in there mouth.

Shellac comes from the lac bug
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13esmadco&sigi=11qserv86&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd

http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13tsisqh6&sigi=10mla7ic5&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd

shellac is also used to coat certain candies.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13f03ucfo&sigi=12179oas9&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd

this info is to explain that sanding sealers desolve just by the oils and moistures on your hands.

sanding sealer. 50/50 mix shellac /denatured alcohol apply with any paper towel, 1 or 2 coat. then I buff with a unltra fine pad Just to smooth
the surface of the shellac.



http://images.search.yahoo.com/imag...b=13q7a419b&sigi=11a15ms5t&.crumb=0bMOGWBAjFd
Then I repete
sanding sealer. 50/50 mix shellac /denatured alcohol apply with any paper towel, 1 or 2 coat. then I buff very lightly only to smooth the 50/50 shellac finsh. with a unltra fine pad.
after doing this 2 or 3 times

50/50 mix shellac /denatured alcohol dries in about 2 min.

then I apply pro w41 yellow car buff wax with old tee shirt rag
http://www.prowax.com/waxes/W-41_Yellow_Wax_Paste.html

this is ONE of the ways of sealing and waxing a shaft

MMike
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So are you saying no matter what the origin sealer from shaft will disappear just by oil that come from hand ?
Then after several month of use, the wood should be expose to humid directly ? How often should we apply the shellac again ? After cleaning it with alcohol ?
 
mortuarymike-nv

mortuarymike-nv

mortuarymike-nv
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xiao.wend said:
So are you saying no matter what the origin sealer from shaft will disappear just by oil that come from hand ?
Then after several month of use, the wood should be expose to humid directly ? How often should we apply the shellac again ? After cleaning it with alcohol ?
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If I played every day I would wax once a week.
is the chalk is getting into the grain of the wood then clean in with .
alcohol or magic eraser a damp warm soapy towel.

Once you get the shaft cleaned and sealed . then it is just maintance .
wax or reseal as needed but dont wait to long .

the shaft sealer and carnuba wax will keep the chalk suspended so it does get embeded into the grain. clean reseal and wax .
MMike
this the way i do it i am certain that there is more ways then one.
 
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mortuarymike-nv said:
If I played every day I would wax once a week.
is the chalk is getting into the grain of the wood then clean in with .
alcohol or magic eraser a damp warm soapy towel.

Once you get the shaft cleaned and sealed . then it is just maintance .
wax or reseal as needed but dont wait to long .

the shaft sealer and carnuba wax will keep the chalk suspended so it does get embeded into the grain. clean reseal and wax .
MMike
this the way i do it i am certain that there is more ways then one.
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So the shaft sealer and wax is one package to do at maintenance for best result ? How about if i am just using sealer after clean it ? Should the wax 100% carnauba, since it seems so hard to find 100% one at market.

Thank you so much mike to share your tips & trick how to maintenance properly, you are the best ! :thumbup:
 
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nvrquit

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French cue wax

I use alcohol to clean, it does not rasie grain, but removes the chalk and filth, cuts the oils. Then for me, French cue wax is the way to go. It makes the shaft feel perfect. I will occasionally burnish with a piece of brrown paper luch bag, really nothing works better.
 
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xiao.wend

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nvrquit said:
I use alcohol to clean, it does not rasie grain, but removes the chalk and filth, cuts the oils. Then for me, French cue wax is the way to go. It makes the shaft feel perfect. I will occasionally burnish with a piece of brrown paper luch bag, really nothing works better.
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What's the use of brown paper bag ? Close the grain ? Or what ?
 
mortuarymike-nv

mortuarymike-nv

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sealer

Sealers tend to be sticky,
Without waxing I would think the sealer would create alot of drag on your bridge hand.

MMike
 
Tramp Steamer

Tramp Steamer

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Hey xaio, I talked to you on another thread just a few minutes ago.
Like the boys have said, it's pretty much a personal thing. Some folks like wax and sealer, others like wax only, and still others prefer bare wood. A bare shaft, however, will require a little more maintenance for obvious reasons.
I always felt that a good shaft sealer, such as that sold by Chris Hightower, was the best thing for keeping most of the crud out of the wood. Experiment and see what works best for you.
I might add that cue maintenance can easily be done by the individual, but at least once every year or two, take the cue to your friendly neighborhood cue repair person and have it cleaned professionally, from top to bottom. :smile:
 
mortuarymike-nv

mortuarymike-nv

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agreed

EightballJunkie said:
This is actually the reason I prefer to use shellac based sanding sealer and wax over other sealers.

I like the natural patina that develops as the wax and sealer wear away, of course being replaced by one's own skin oils. I doesn't take long for a shaft that's played often, a couple months and it will have smoothness unlike anything else.

An important thing is to wipe the shaft fairly often with a soft dry cotton cloth, maybe every hour during play. This keeps chalk and other grime from accumulating. If one does this, they shouldn't have to clean with things like Alcohol and Magic Erasure nearly as often ...if at all.
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pretty much on the same page my hands sweat alot so i am always drying off my hands and cue. I have had the same can of wax and sanding sealer for years. It only takes a min or to wipe down the cue and rewax .
it works real well for me .

as long as the chalk and dirt and grime stays suspended in the wax and not into the wood grain.

Keeping it short,what ever works to take the best care of our cues is the goal.

I agree with your comments. but because of my sweaty hands the waxes and shellac seems to break down fairly fast.

But I dont mind keeping my pool cue Clean and waxed and ready to go.


It is kinda funny what shellac is made out of and most people dont know.

MMike
 
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I bring some news back here, i test out my friend shaft, he clean and seal it byhimself, also he clean it with alcohol, but he seal it with dashboard cleaner spray, and what the hell was going on, his shaft really slick and smooth, much more smoother than a new shaft fom cuemaker. And it seems doesnt attract dust. What are your thought about this one, is it safe ? Really i like how it follow through between my bridge :thumbup:
 
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