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How important is the hop on Shane's break? - 08-25-2015, 09:22 PM

Considering what sets Shanes 10 ball break apart I have considered the factors involved.

1) the speed- any pro could match that
2) the line- again any pro can place the cueball where Shane does and hit them square
3) where Shane cues- center ball on his ten ball break


The only other factor I can think of is how high the cueball hops into the rack and the angle at which it strikes the one ball. Could this be the factor that sets his break apart from others? If not what do you think is the key?
  
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08-25-2015, 10:38 PM

My opinion...REAL.

It allows clearance of the first 3 balls to do what they are going to do. If you cant get the CB out of the way, its hard to plan anything. Ive thought this for years...
  
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08-25-2015, 10:47 PM

A lot of players pop the ball on the break nowadays, but if you look at the table after Shane's been practicing on it, you'll see dozens of white spots all concentrated in the very center of the table. I've never seen anyone else that can control the cue ball's trajectory with that much accuracy and that's what separates him from the rest of the pack.
  
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08-26-2015, 01:49 AM

I dunno about Shane, but on Ko Pin Yi's break, the cue ball jumps and lands past the side pockets so there is almost no possibility of getting kicked in (and the 1 stops near one of the corners on that side of the table anyway).
  
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08-26-2015, 03:35 AM

After i stopped try break hard and just trying to get controlled hop for cueball my break went to another level.
Actually if you get nice controlled hop you HAVE to break quite hard and get consistent timing to your break. Key of better breaking IMO.


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08-26-2015, 04:33 AM

The pop is caused by the cue ball being airborne when it strikes the head ball. Making sure that you hit the head ball square is extremely important. Due to the head rail, everyone is hitting the cue ball, at a downward angle, on the break. Shane just so happens to have practiced his break till it's become second nature.


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Smile on the fly - 08-26-2015, 05:13 AM

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The pop is caused by the cue ball being airborne when it strikes the head ball. Making sure that you hit the head ball square is extremely important. Due to the head rail, everyone is hitting the cue ball, at a downward angle, on the break. Shane just so happens to have practiced his break till it's become second nature.
Yes. Every time you break hard the cue ball becomes at least a little airborne, because you're shooting at least a little downward. The challenge is to master when the CB returns to the surface, if it does at all. Ideally it should land as close to the head ball (if that's your target) as possible...so it doesn't leave the table.


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08-26-2015, 05:14 AM

I'll just watch this over and over again. Props to Eagletrickshots2 for the vid

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08-26-2015, 05:20 AM

The hop seems to work well for him...but he also hops the ball off the table at the most inopportune moments.


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08-26-2015, 05:57 AM

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08-26-2015, 06:10 AM

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A lot of players pop the ball on the break nowadays, but if you look at the table after Shane's been practicing on it, you'll see dozens of white spots all concentrated in the very center of the table. I've never seen anyone else that can control the cue ball's trajectory with that much accuracy and that's what separates him from the rest of the pack.
It's really a matter of accuracy....the cue ball is hydroplaning...when you hit the one ball
straight on with no spin, the weight of the other balls push it back, in the air.
...any spin or any cut on the one and you don't get this effect.

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08-26-2015, 06:27 AM

I feel the hop and the first bounce it makes on the table when coming down is very important. That bounce will help take the spin off the cueball and further help keep it in the middle provided you hit the rack full.

Shane even said it himself in the Breaking video from his TAR instructional series mentioning how important the hop is. Said basically practice breaking over and over until you learn to get the hop and then start perfecting it from there.


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08-26-2015, 06:38 AM

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I feel the hop and the first bounce it makes on the table when coming down is very important. That bounce will help take the spin off the cueball and further help keep it in the middle provided you hit the rack full.

Shane even said it himself in the Breaking video from his TAR instructional series mentioning how important the hop is. Said basically practice breaking over and over until you learn to get the hop and then start perfecting it from there.
You mean, like a drill? I thought Shane doesn't do drills. [/sarcasm]


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08-26-2015, 06:38 AM

CB hop is not something one should try to create (e.g., by elevating the cue even more than normal). However, with a well-struck break (i.e., a square hit with significant speed), it is difficult to avoid the hop. For a lot more information on this topic, including demonstrations, see the CB hop and squat on the break resource page.

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08-26-2015, 06:46 AM

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CB hop is not something one should try to create (e.g., by elevating the cue even more than normal). However, with a well-struck break (i.e., a square hit with significant speed), it is difficult to avoid the hop. For a lot more information on this topic, including demonstrations, see the CB hop and squat on the break resource page.

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Is it possible that the second balls go toward the side pockets better and the 1 ball heads toward the corner better when the cue ball comes in off of a trajectory?
  
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