Stats -- 2018 Buffalo's Pro Classic One-Pocket, May 2018

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Here are some statistics from the 2018 Buffalo's Pro Classic One-Pocket event, played May 24-27 at Buffalo's Billiards in Jefferson, LA with pay-per-view streaming by PoolActionTV.

This was a 16-player, double-elimination event, with all races to 5. The winner was Justin Hall, beating Tony Chohan twice in a true double-elimination final match.

Conditions -- The conditions for this event included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with 4 1/8" corner pockets and blue Simonis 860 cloth;​
- Aramith Tournament balls with a measles cue ball;​
- triangle rack;​
- rack your own with alternating breaks;​
- re-break if a ball is made on the break;​
- no shot clock;​
- cue ball fouls only;​
- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (happened once);​
- climbing up on the table (no feet on the floor) to shoot is permitted; and​
- lag for opening break.​

Nine matches were streamed. I was able to track stats on 7 of the matches (8 races to 5, 66 games), listed here in the order in which they were played:

Thurs. May 24
1. Efren Reyes defeated Danny Smith 5-3​

Fri. May 25
2. Dennis Orcollo d. Reyes 5-3​

Sat. May 26
3. Justin Hall d. Chip Compton 5-2​
4. Tony Chohan d. Corey Deuel 5-4​
5. Hall d. Orcollo 5-4​

Sun. May 27
6. Hall d. Deuel 5-3 (Semifinal)​
7. Hall d. Chohan 5-4 and 5-3 (Final)​

Breaks from breaker's right side of table -- 38 of 66 (58%)

Games won by breaker
When breaking from his left side of table -- 17 of 28 (61%)​
When breaking from his right side of table -- 27 of 38 (71%)
Total -- 44 of 66 (67%)​

Races won by winner of lag -- 5 of 8 (63%)

High run-outs
9-and-out -- Once: by Hall (Match 5)​
8-and-outs -- 9 times: 3 by Hall (Matches 3, 5, and 7), 2 by Orcollo (Matches 2 and 5), and 1 each by Smith (Match 1), Reyes (Match 2), Chohan (Match 4), and Deuel (Match 4)​

Race lengths
Longest in total length (5 hrs., 3 min.) -- Hall d. Orcollo 5-4​
Highest in average minutes per game (36 min.) -- Hall d. Deuel 5-3​
Shortest in total length (2 hrs., 13 min.) and lowest in average minutes per game (15 min.) -- Hall d. Chohan (first race) 5-4​
Average race length -- 3 hrs., 49 min.​
Average minutes per game -- 28 min.​

Average score of races -- 5 - 3.3. None of the races were shutouts or 5-1's; 3 races went to hill/hill.

Ball counts by length of run:
The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls.
[Notes -- Excludes info from 4 games I missed in part: Game 1 of Match 1, Game 4 of Match 4, Game 1 of Match 5, and Game 9 of the first race of Match 7. Also excludes a game Deuel lost on 3 consecutive fouls. And, in a few instances, I deduced (so, could be wrong) counts after streaming problems.]
1 ball -- 154 times​
2 balls -- 46​
3 balls -- 35​
4 balls -- 15​
5 balls -- 11​
6 balls -- 10​
7 balls -- 9​
8 balls -- 9​
9 balls -- 1​
Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 55​
Minus fouls -- 95​
TOTAL ball count (61 games) -- 630​
Average game score (these 61 games) -- 8 - 2.3​

Distribution of run-outs to win the games:
[Note -- Excludes the game lost on 3 consecutive fouls.]
1 ball -- 27 (42% of 65 games)​
2 balls -- 12​
3 balls -- 8​
4 balls -- 2​
5 balls -- 2​
6 balls -- 0​
7 balls -- 4​
8 balls -- 9 (15% for 8-9 combined)​
9 balls -- 1​
Average (mean) "out" run -- 3.1 balls​
Average (median) "out" run -- 2 balls​
 
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Here are some statistics from the 2018 Buffalo's Pro Classic One-Pocket event, played May 24-27 at Buffalo's Billiards in Jefferson, LA with pay-per-view streaming by PoolActionTV.

This was a 16-player, double-elimination event, with all races to 5. The winner was Justin Hall, beating Tony Chohan twice in a true double-elimination final match.

Conditions -- The conditions for this event included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with 4 1/8" corner pockets and blue Simonis 860 cloth;
- Aramith Tournament balls with a measles cue ball;
- triangle rack;
- rack your own with alternating breaks;
- re-break if a ball is made on the break;
- no shot clock;
- cue ball fouls only;
- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (happened once);
- climbing up on the table (no feet on the floor) to shoot is permitted; and
- lag for opening break.

Nine matches were streamed. I was able to track stats on 7 of the matches (8 races to 5, 66 games), listed here in the order in which they were played:

Thurs. May 24
  • 1. Efren Reyes defeated Danny Smith 5-3

Fri. May 25
  • 2. Dennis Orcollo d. Reyes 5-3

Sat. May 26
  • 3. Justin Hall d. Chip Compton 5-2
  • 4. Tony Chohan d. Corey Deuel 5-4
  • 5. Hall d. Orcollo 5-4

Sun. May 27
  • 6. Hall d. Deuel 5-3 (Semifinal)
  • 7. Hall d. Chohan 5-4 and 5-3 (Final)

Breaks from breaker's right side of table -- 38 of 66 (58%)

Games won by breaker
  • When breaking from his left side of table -- 17 of 28 (61%)
  • When breaking from his right side of table -- 27 of 38 (71%)
    Total -- 44 of 66 (67%)

Races won by winner of lag -- 5 of 8 (63%)

High run-outs
  • 9-and-out -- Once: by Hall (Match 5)
  • 8-and-outs -- 9 times: 3 by Hall (Matches 3, 5, and 7), 2 by Orcollo (Matches 2 and 5), and 1 each by Smith (Match 1), Reyes (Match 2), Chohan (Match 4), and Deuel (Match 4)

Race lengths
  • Longest in total length (5 hrs., 3 min.) -- Hall d. Orcollo 5-4
  • Highest in average minutes per game (36 min.) -- Hall d. Deuel 5-3
  • Shortest in total length (2 hrs., 13 min.) and lowest in average minutes per game (15 min.) -- Hall d. Chohan (first race) 5-4
  • Average race length -- 3 hrs., 49 min.
  • Average minutes per game -- 28 min.

Average score of races -- 5 - 3.3. None of the races were shutouts or 5-1's; 3 races went to hill/hill.

Ball counts by length of run:
The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls.
[Note -- excludes info from 4 games I missed in part: Game 1 of Match 1, Game 4 of Match 4, Game 1 of Match 5, and Game 9 of the first race of Match 7. Also excludes a game Deuel lost on 3 consecutive fouls.]

  • 1 ball -- 154 times
  • 2 balls -- 46
  • 3 balls -- 35
  • 4 balls -- 15
  • 5 balls -- 11
  • 6 balls -- 10
  • 7 balls -- 9
  • 8 balls -- 9
  • 9 balls -- 1
  • Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 55
  • Minus fouls -- 95
  • TOTAL ball count (61 games) -- 630
  • Average game score (these 61 games) -- 8 - 2.3

Distribution of run-outs to win the games:
[Note -- excludes the game lost on 3 consecutive fouls.]
  • 1 ball -- 27 (42% of 65 games)
  • 2 balls -- 12
  • 3 balls -- 8
  • 4 balls -- 2
  • 5 balls -- 2
  • 6 balls -- 0
  • 7 balls -- 4
  • 8 balls -- 9 (15% for 8-9 combined)
  • 9 balls -- 1
  • Average (mean) "out" run -- 3.1 balls
  • Average (median) "out" run -- 2 balls
Thank you for doing these. :thumbup:

Some very interesting stuff. :)
 
Thanks atLarge.

I wonder why the winning percentage is higher breaking from the right?

Blame it on Justin Hall. He appeared in 5 of the 8 races to 5, winning them all. He always broke from his right side and won the game on 16 of his 21 breaks (76%).
 
For a professional one-pocket tournament, how do you all feel about using a table as difficult as the streaming table at Buffalo's? It was said to have 4 1/8" corner pockets. And shelves on Diamonds are deep. And some said the cloth was not new. So it was tough.

Does such a table make the event better or worse for the players or fans (compared to using a table with more accepting pockets). Does it increase the likelihood that the player who plays the best pool will actually win the matches and the event? Does it handicap particular styles of play, and, if so, is that a good thing?

Runs of just 1 ball accounted for 24% of the total ball count in the matches I tracked at Buffalo's. By comparison, it was about 15% at both the most recent Accu-Stats Make-It-Happen One-Pocket Invitational and at the most recent DCC One-Pocket event.

60% of the run-outs to win the game were just 1 or 2 balls at Buffalo's. It was 41% at the MIH event and 52% at DCC.

The average minutes per game at Buffalo's was 28. At the other two events it was 18 min. and 20 min. (At least part of that difference might have resulted from the 60-sec. shot clocks at the other two events and no shot clock at Buffalo's.)

Your thoughts?
 
For a professional one-pocket tournament, how do you all feel about using a table as difficult as the streaming table at Buffalo's? It was said to have 4 1/8" corner pockets. And shelves on Diamonds are deep. And some said the cloth was not new. So it was tough.

Does such a table make the event better or worse for the players or fans (compared to using a table with more accepting pockets). Does it increase the likelihood that the player who plays the best pool will actually win the matches and the event? Does it handicap particular styles of play, and, if so, is that a good thing?

Runs of just 1 ball accounted for 24% of the total ball count in the matches I tracked at Buffalo's. By comparison, it was about 15% at both the most recent Accu-Stats Make-It-Happen One-Pocket Invitational and at the most recent DCC One-Pocket event.

60% of the run-outs to win the game were just 1 or 2 balls at Buffalo's. It was 41% at the MIH event and 52% at DCC.

The average minutes per game at Buffalo's was 28. At the other two events it was 18 min. and 20 min. (At least part of that difference might have resulted from the 60-sec. shot clocks at the other two events and no shot clock at Buffalo's.)

Your thoughts?
I'm not a big fan of pockets that are not pro standard. Too tight or too loose does change the game. Honestly I do not get the point of tight pockets that are ostensibly "for One Pocket".

That said, I am all for nice big money One Pocket tournaments that are successful, and by all accounts, this one was. So.....
 
I'm not a big fan of pockets that are not pro standard. Too tight or too loose does change the game. Honestly I do not get the point of tight pockets that are ostensibly "for One Pocket".

That said, I am all for nice big money One Pocket tournaments that are successful, and by all accounts, this one was. So.....

What’s pro standard? Do you mean Diamonds 4.5” pro cut? From my perspective Billiards has no standards. 4 1/8 is tight for sure but doesn’t bother me, I hang balls up on all the Diamonds.
 
For a professional one-pocket tournament, how do you all feel about using a table as difficult as the streaming table at Buffalo's? It was said to have 4 1/8" corner pockets. And shelves on Diamonds are deep. And some said the cloth was not new. So it was tough.

Does such a table make the event better or worse for the players or fans (compared to using a table with more accepting pockets). Does it increase the likelihood that the player who plays the best pool will actually win the matches and the event? Does it handicap particular styles of play, and, if so, is that a good thing?

Runs of just 1 ball accounted for 24% of the total ball count in the matches I tracked at Buffalo's. By comparison, it was about 15% at both the most recent Accu-Stats Make-It-Happen One-Pocket Invitational and at the most recent DCC One-Pocket event.

60% of the run-outs to win the game were just 1 or 2 balls at Buffalo's. It was 41% at the MIH event and 52% at DCC.


The average minutes per game at Buffalo's was 28. At the other two events it was 18 min. and 20 min. (At least part of that difference might have resulted from the 60-sec. shot clocks at the other two events and no shot clock at Buffalo's.)

Your thoughts?

As a major sponsor of the Buffalo's Pro Classic, we wanted to make sure that the TV table was a challenge to the best players in the world. Frankly, on tables that are pro cut (4.5), the players abuse those tables so easily, we don't use any 4.5 inch pockets for the tournament. All tables are 4.25 or 4.1/8. This table was a challenge, but as you could see, once Hall got the speed down, his banks were going in while other players were hanging them up or hitting the side rail and not coming close.

The TV table's snugness insured that the players would actually have to play the game rather than just run eight and out every time they got a shot. This made for longer games, but in my opinion, made the players show all their skills, which is usually a plus for our viewers. Hall adapted to the table better than the other players and his defense and banking were the difference.
 
Thank I really enjoy your stats after tournaments pal.

Yeah, no joke.

16% of game winning pits were 8 or 9 balls on length. Very interesting, to me.

Guessing that means the guy who got the first shot won...or did it?!

And stats on # of innings in the games and who made the first ball and when it was made...id think those would be interesting.
 
Thank you for the comments so far. It's always interesting to hear varying opinions from knowledgeable people.

I'm not a big fan of pockets that are not pro standard. Too tight or too loose does change the game. Honestly I do not get the point of tight pockets that are ostensibly "for One Pocket". ...

... Frankly, on tables that are pro cut (4.5), the players abuse those tables so easily, we don't use any 4.5 inch pockets for the tournament. ...The TV table's snugness insured that the players would actually have to play the game rather than just run eight and out every time they got a shot. ...

Joe, you must have seen some 1-pocket events that played out quite differently from what I have seen. I don't remember ever seeing players running 8 and out every time they got a shot (and by "every time," I'm guessing you just meant a high percentage of the time).

At this year's DCC, 8-(or more)-and out accounted for 11% of the 56 games for which I had the data. At the last MIH event, it was 23% of 90 games. Both of those events used a Diamond with pro-cut pockets for the stream.

... 16% of game winning pits were 8 or 9 balls on length. Very interesting, to me.

Guessing that means the guy who got the first shot won...or did it?!

Close -- 15%. The player who scored the first point (or had it scored for him) won 63% of the 63 games I was able to track on that measure at Buffalo's. At the 2017 MIH event, it was 62% of the 90 games.

And stats on # of innings in the games and who made the first ball and when it was made...id think those would be interesting.

Hey, now, you want me to do more work? :smile: Actually, I have kept track of that sort of thing a few times, but it gets r-e-a-l-l-y tedious in 1-pocket with the length of some of the games. For instance, did you know that in the 2016 DCC Finals (Pagulayan d. Feijen), their 3rd game went 47 innings apiece? Maybe just knowing that it lasted about 82 minutes would give about the same info.
 
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