10/32 Set Screw For Ferrule Tenon? Ivory Only?

[cuesblues]

We have been working on some older shafts made by "Oklahoma" cuemakers such as Verl Horn & Eddie Farris.

Is this common among other cuemakers to use a 10/32 set screw tenon?
Was it only used for ivory ferrules to have more ferrule material and reduce cracking?
Is this done for non-ivory ferrules?
Was this system Horn influenced, does anyone else use it?
Pro's & con's

Thanks
Ted

 

[Brickcues]

Tried 15 years ago when I first started, lasted about 10 minutes as causes way too much deflection with all the extra weight the ferrule and screw add. I have run into this on a couple of repairs and I just replace with wood tendon and new ferrule. Customers always come back and ask what I did because it plays a lot better.

 

[opiesbro]

Is it possible the maker did it to reduce cracking by not having wood to swell and contract with moisture?

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[cueman]

The metal screws has been done by several cuemakers.
Most have gone to a wood thread now.
The ones that played the best with the metal screw also had a short 5/16" diameter wood tenon that was about an 1/8" long. The ones that went flat faced on the end of the shaft with the screw coming straight out of it seemed to play funny.
It gives a lot more ferrule thickness for extra strength, so you are correct in that thinking.

 

[cuesblues]

The metal screws has been done by several cuemakers.
Most have gone to a wood thread now.
The ones that played the best with the metal screw also had a short 5/16" diameter wood tenon that was about an 1/8" long. The ones that went flat faced on the end of the shaft with the screw coming straight out of it seemed to play funny.
It gives a lot more ferrule thickness for extra strength, so you are correct in that thinking.

Thanks for the response
We used a 1/4" dowel after some help from one of our favorite cuemakers here in Denver.
Each time we replace a ferrule there seems to be some discussion on why the first one was done a certain way.
Then we deal the old Viking and other old production cue shafts & ferrules, you never know what your getting into.

 

[deanosdino]

Steel pin

Yes, Verl Horn did use a steel pin to attach his ferrules. Verl and Jim Ingram were good friends and he is the only cue maker that I know of that still does this. My regular player is an Ingram with a steel pin in the ferrules, one shaft has an aegis linen ferrule and the other is Ivory which I prefer. Palmer used a steel pin, and I've heard that TAD did on his early cues as well which I have been told this used to be fairly common 40 years ago. These cues can make great players, so I wouldn't change one that was that way originally. However if I had a choice at the point of construction I would choose a wood tenon over steel.