10-Ball Ring Game in Maryland

JAM

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We went to an annual charity event yesterday in Laurel, MD, with proceeds going to a college fund for the daughter of a beloved Maryland player who passed. With 24 players, there were 4 groups of 6 players. The players who came -- VAP, Pookie, David Hunt from Richmond, Ryan "Genie Man" McCreesh, Keith McCready, BCA Instructor Doug Sharp, Young Gun Brandon Shuff, just to name a few -- seemed to enjoy the format. Don Purdman made a cameo appearance, and NineballCC and her daughter came as well to enjoy the festivities. :)

NineballCC's daughter is only 7 years old and now has her own cuestick. She can barely reach the height of the table. Keith helped her with her stance a few weeks ago at a Hampton Ridge event, and the little cutey pie remembered everything. Her focus and concentration is strong, and she's got a really good eye. The youngster has actually developed a stroke now. She played pool non-stop the whole day and was having a ball! Watch out, NineballCC, you've got a champion in the making. ;)

Nick Prinsloo, the volunteer tournament director, explained the rules of the 10-ball ring game format at the players' meeting. Each player gets 10 chips. When they lose their chips, they move to the losers' bracker or get knocked out in the double-elimination format. After a period of time, the ante doubles, until there are three remaining players, who then move up the chart to the next round.

As a railbird, I noticed the players seemed more relaxed and had fun. However, the rules for this 10-ball double-elimination format are extensive. This 10-ball ring game format was a pilot event, just to see how it worked out. With 24 players in a double-elimination format, with the ante doubling periodically, I think the general consensus was that a single-elimination format would be better due to time constraints.

Nick did a great job keeping the rounds moving, and his computer software worked GREAT, randomly picking the shooting order of the players in each ring game.

Relating to 10-ball, I've gotta say that I saw very few, if any, run-outs from the break, unlike 9-ball. In essence, the luck factor of a 10-ball ring game, much like 9-ball is today, prevails. The players, though, seemed to like the relaxed atmosphere, and everybody got a chance at the table. As a spectator, it was very entertaining. As a player trying to advance the charts, I think it was a little frustrating. When you only get to shoot one time out of six in a ring game, it is difficult to stay in stroke or develop any kind of rhythm. Ring games are great spectator events, definitely enjoyable, but I'm not sure I like the ring game concept for a competitive venue.

For the first time out of the gate, it went smoothly, thanks to Nick Prinsloo and that software of his. I like the 10-ball ring game format, but competitively speaking, it's definitely a crap shoot and the BEST player may not win because of the variety of luck factors associated with ring games. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
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JAM said:
We went to an annual charity event yesterday in Laurel, MD, with proceeds going to a college fund for the daughter of a beloved Maryland player who passed. With 24 players, there were 4 groups of 6 players.

Relating to 10-ball, I've gotta say that I saw very few, if any, run-outs from the break, unlike 9-ball. In essence, the luck factor of a 10-ball ring game, much like 9-ball is today, prevails. The players, though, seemed to like the relaxed atmosphere, and everybody got a chance at the table. As a spectator, it was very entertaining. As a player trying to advance the charts, I think it was a little frustrating. When you only get to shoot one time out of six in a ring game, it is difficult to stay in stroke or develop any kind of rhythm. Ring games are great spectator events, definitely enjoyable, but I'm not sure I like the ring game concept for a competitive venue.

For the first time out of the gate, it went smoothly, thanks to Nick Prinsloo and that software of his. I like the 10-ball ring game format, but competitively speaking, it's definitely a crap shoot and the BEST player may not win because of the variety of luck factors associated with ring games. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM

Yeah, it was an interesting tournament. It was my first time playing in a 10 ball ring game. There were only a couple breaks and run on my tables and 1 guy made the 10 on the break. It did seem though that a ball was pocketed on 7 out of 10 breaks, and the balls were typically spread well. So run-outs were certainly possible more often. I think the rhythm factor is critical since you get out of your chair typically only once every 10-15 minutes (at most!) and it's usually a weird shot you have to step up and shoot. Not sure that it mattered in my case, but I got drawn as the last shooter both times!

I think Nick ran it really well from what I saw, but I agree that it's not the best competitive format. Too much luck involved, and too hard to get any momentum or rhythm flowing. But, it's a good cause!
 
beetle said:
...I think the rhythm factor is critical since you get out of your chair typically only once every 10-15 minutes (at most!) and it's usually a weird shot you have to step up and shoot. Not sure that it mattered in my case, but I got drawn as the last shooter both times!....

Interestingly, in the finals, Keith and Pookie, who had remained in the winners' bracket throughout the duration, were knocked out first and didn't get the opportunity for a second chance in the losers' bracket of the double elimination-formatted tournament.

However, one of the three remaining players in the finals when we left -- and I can't remember his name -- told me that he, too, got randomly drawn as the LAST shooter each time as well!

Two of the three players in the finals came from the losers' bracket, with the exception of Young Gun Brandon Shuff.

The 10-ball ring game format is fun, but I do not think it is a good measuring stick for a competitive venue. For this charity event, though, it was a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon, and I think everybody who was in attendance, railbirds and players alike, enjoyed themselves! :)

JAM
 
JAM said:
Interestingly, in the finals, Keith and Pookie, who had remained in the winners' bracket throughout the duration, were knocked out first and didn't get the opportunity for a second chance in the losers' bracket of the double elimination-formatted tournament.

However, one of the three remaining players in the finals when we left -- and I can't remember his name -- told me that he, too, got randomly drawn as the LAST shooter each time as well!

Two of the three players in the finals came from the losers' bracket, with the exception of Young Gun Brandon Shuff.

The 10-ball ring game format is fun, but I do not think it is a good measuring stick for a competitive venue. For this charity event, though, it was a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon, and I think everybody who was in attendance, railbirds and players alike, enjoyed themselves! :)

JAM

i agree jam........definitely not a good measuring tool for competition, but it was fun. all depends on who you were shooting after.

on our table, no one broke and ran. in fact i don't believe that there was more than two or three runouts with more than 8 balls on the table.

the table beetle was playing on must have been breaking easy, as making a ball 7 out of 10 breaks is unheard of.

VAP
 
Hey guys - it was fun...definitely hard to get used to seeing as I've always directed 9-ball double eliminations (good lord it's been 8 years now that I've been directing.)
Yesterday was a blast it's definitely nice to get the chance to hang out instead of work, and now that my little one is old enough to start playing (height issue), it will definitely happen more often.
JAM - Keith is awesome, he is great with the kids, she had a little competition playing against another 7 year old girl that Keith had been working with earlier in the day. She does have a serious face, and acts like an adult when she's being taught (by someone other than me). Her dad's a player too, so I think she's had quite a bit of exposure. As of yesterday she has the 8-ball rules down already.
Beetle - sorry to have missed you yesterday - not sure if you knew this, but it was double elimination rounds, Nick was looking for you when I walked in, but you had already taken off for the afternoon. Sorry.

Happy Mothers Day JAM! Y'all don't forget to call your Mom!
 
nineballcc said:
Hey guys - it was fun...definitely hard to get used to seeing as I've always directed 9-ball double eliminations (good lord it's been 8 years now that I've been directing.)
Yesterday was a blast it's definitely nice to get the chance to hang out instead of work, and now that my little one is old enough to start playing (height issue), it will definitely happen more often.

Beetle - sorry to have missed you yesterday - not sure if you knew this, but it was double elimination rounds, Nick was looking for you when I walked in, but you had already taken off for the afternoon. Sorry.

Hey Ceci, sorry I missed you! I was DOUBLY eliminated so fast I guess I even surprised Nick and left before you arrived! See you all in Salsbury!
 
vapoolplayer said:
i agree jam........definitely not a good measuring tool for competition, but it was fun. all depends on who you were shooting after.

on our table, no one broke and ran. in fact i don't believe that there was more than two or three runouts with more than 8 balls on the table.

the table beetle was playing on must have been breaking easy, as making a ball 7 out of 10 breaks is unheard of.

VAP

Hey VAP, which one were you? We should meet. Glad you made it up here for the tourny. Regarding the 10 ball breaks & pocketing balls: Why not start keeping track of how often you make a ball on the break, and then how often you have a shot on the low ball. I will do the same. In fact I may just do about 50 breaks tonight, racking the balls in the same order just to see what the results are. This is probably better than anecdotal guesswork (on my part) as to the break results. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that 70% of the breaks on my table resulted in a pocketed ball, and one of those was the 10 ball. It seemed the balls were being distributed well, particularly considering the slow tables, I would expect even more action on faster tables (like my table). I will post a new thread if I do about 50 breaks tonight. See you in Salisbury?
 
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