# 12 team tournament bracket question

#### jbjsabu

##### New member
I am making out a double elimination bracket for 12 teams.
All of the examples I find are the same and have 8 byes as shown in the attachment.
I am wondering why the brackets are not set up like in example 2 here
which only has 3 byes..
I am probable missing something, but don't know what.

well, for starters I filled out the regular bracket wrong, so nevermind unless I get confused again.
Thanks.

OK, I fixed the errors. Looks like the typical bracket has one more matches and looks more symmetrical, fwiw.

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#### fuggles

##### Member
Yes, thank you. That is how I was setting up, but then wondered why the other arrangement
with only 3 byes was not used.
The 3 bye gives 2 players an unfair advantage in the second round on the b-side.

#### APA Operator

##### AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Yes, thank you. That is how I was setting up, but then wondered why the other arrangement
with only 3 byes was not used.
The 3-bye opens the possibility of someone getting 2 byes on the loser's side. The loser of L6 is a bye but is not shown, so there are still 4 byes but they're not spread fairly.

#### jbjsabu

##### New member
The 3 bye gives 2 players an unfair advantage in the second round on the b-side.
Got it. APA operator pointed out my miss. Thanks

#### jbjsabu

##### New member
The 3-bye opens the possibility of someone getting 2 byes on the loser's side. The loser of L6 is a bye but is not shown, so there are still 4 byes but they're not spread fairly.
Ah, good eye. I am wondering no longer.
The 3-bye opens the possibility of someone getting 2 byes on the loser's side. The loser of L6 is a bye but is not shown, so there are still 4 byes but they're not spread fairly.

#### hang-the-9

##### AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Just do a 16 bracket and do random buys in the thing, simple and no need for a special chart.